Vaquero & Eldorado umax a Comparison

[trueblue]

I would like to know what the field performance differences are between the Vaquero & the Eldorado Umax from those who have used both ... I have read on some review boards that the V has no noticable preformance benifits over the Eldo Umax by those who have used or own both , what do ya reckon ?

Obviouse Difference's

Eldo runs @ 10.6 kHz, 10.4 kHz, 10.2 kHz
Vaq runs @ 14.3 kHz, 14.5 kHz, 14.7 kHz

Eldo has a disc/AM/batt test toggle
Vaq has a pinpiont button ....

operating modes
Eldo
No-motion All Metal
Silent Search Discriminate

Vaq
Threshold-based All Metal
Silent Search Discriminate
Pinpoint Mode All Metal Fast Auto-Tune

Eldo has True 180 ED
Vaq has questionable 180 ED

the Vaq is designed on the H.O.T technology

both have a good range of coil chioces

what benefit would be gained by an Eldo owner supposedly "upgrading" to a Vaq apart from just keeping upto date ?

 

[BarberBill]

I can't really help comparison wise as I haven't played with the V. I do have an Eldorado with most of the coils and have found it to be a versatile, very satisfactory machine for my hunting. While the HOT technology is supposed to give a bit more depth, I find I'm digging about as deep as I want and sometimes then some on targets of any size. I do like the all metal switch over the pinpoint button as it enables one to flip in and out of all metal as desired without holding a pinpoint button in. I replaced the pinpoint button with a switch on one of my SSumax detectors for the same purpose. I like to run in all metal then toggle over to a preset disc. level when coin shooting. If the target still responds after switching to disc. it's very likely a coin. If the disc. is set high enough, this method is about 90 - 95 % reliable.
HH
BB

 

[tabdog]

The Eldorado is a very nice detector. I had one and now own a Euro Sabre
which is the same thing but it has a Iron ID feature and does not have
frequency shift. I have a Vaquero which is a very fine machine also.

The Vaquero has an all metal mode that is accessed by turning the disc
knob all the way down until it clicks. This, to me works well because I can
search in the most descriptive all metal mode I've ever used, then, when I
get a good sounding target, I just thumb the disc knob, which is what I do
even if I'm in the disc mode. So, to me it is just as convenient as the switch.
It's just a matter of hunting preferences.

I don't use the Super Tuning much. Just on occasion in cleaner ground to try
to in crease depth some. It is over played if you ask me.

The disc mode on the Vaquero does not go into the lower conductive materials
like the Eldorado does. But the all metal mode of the Vaquero makes up for that.

I don't think that the Vaquero is an upgrade to the Eldorado. Both machines are
fine performers. To me one does not out shine the other. But they are different.
They lend their selves to different hunting attributes. I like both. It's just a mater
of how I feal and where I am going to hunt.

It's more a matter of which one do you like the best.

I'm just not sure which one I like the best. Best for me is to have both.

Happy Hunting,

 

[trueblue]

they sound to be much of a muchness as I thought they would be , Ive been toying with the idea of getting a V not to replace the Tejon but just for using in the hill country the 7-8oz's of less weight doesnt seem that great but after a few hrs in hard country its appreaciated . My wife has the Eldo and yes its a ripper a pleasure to use espeacialy in threshold based AM when compared to using the Tejon in the same mode .
In disc the Tejon is a chatter box but Ive become tone deaf to if doesnt bother me whatsoever anymore and I actually appreaciate it as it lets ya know whats about also with it being so sensitive to the iron wouldnt that be a positive thing in lessening the effects of masking ? just a thought


"HH"

 

[tabdog]

Hay True Blue,

You said:

with it being so sensitive to the iron wouldnt that be
a positive thing in lessening the effects of masking ? just a thought

That's an interesting question.

The Vaquero has a natural rejection to some lower
conductive materials.

The Silver has even more rejection to some lower
conductive materials.

Does this add to masking?

The older Tesoro's had even more rejection and
people still sware by them.

Monte says that the older Bandido is great at
handling masking and it's the older ED 120.

I have a SS uMax and a Vaquero and enjoy using
both. They both have a way of hunting that is very
effective. Masking may be handled better by a
Tejon or a Eldorado. I'm not sure.

But, in a bussy site, you can find things with the
Silver that you won't find with the Eldorado and
visa versa.

There is room for a lot more disscussion here.
It's over my head.

Happy Hunting,

Tabdog

 

[Pap]

Well masking is caused, at least in part, by the rejection of the signal which will cause the detector to interrupt the signal amplification response causing a null which can be heard in those units that employ a threshold in discrimination. This also causes the inaccurate VDI responses in those units which use this feature. One reason over the years that Tesoro has been popular with many folks is because of its ability to separate targets (partial masking) in close proximity better than most which includes many of the newer units available. If an accepted target is completely masked by a non accepted material it will not be found no matter what detector is being used period.
Tabdog I refer back to the test with the household staples.
Pap

 

[Monte]

Monte says that the older Bandido is great at handling masking and it's the older ED 120.

[size=large]As with any discussion, past statements have to be set in the proper context.

In this case, Yes, the Bandido (the 'original' Bandido) and the Bandido II did/do quite well when worked in an iron infested site ... WHEN COMPARED WITH FORMER TESORO MODELS AND SOME OF THE COMPETITION. The earlier Tesoro models had a lot more rejection at the minimum setting s and that caused more target masking issues. With the release of the Bandido, I was able to hunt old ghost towns and homesteads and renovation work where nails, and other small iron trash littered the are and not miss as many targets due to "masking."

The Bandido II

 

[markg]

Hey Monte, a while back I posted a problem I was having with my test garden. I had failed to clean the area of all metal prior to burying my coins etc.
I had three coins that would either not give a signal or just gave one ever now and then. I was running the discrimination to just below foil on my Tejon. I had also tried setting my discrimination to just reject a 3" iron nail with the same results. I decided to run the discrimination at 0, yes all the way ccw. Suddenly I started getting a faint repeatable beep on all the coins that once were hidden by what I'm guessing is nails close to the buried coins. Now If I can stand it I run my machine at about iron if it's not to trashy.