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Vaquero Discrimination

dlh

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I got my Vaquero today and was able to go outside and play with it for a while. I think I was able to ground balance ok so I started hunting a little in the yard. My first target was discriminated out just before max. and thought it was a penny....a 3" piece of copper tubing. Older home and I think alot of "stuff" in the yard. Second target was a little strange at maximum disc. Turned out to be 2 pennies and one dime in the hole. All newer coins. Okay....I am getting the feel.......so I thought. This is where my question comes in. What kind of targets fall between "tab' and where "pennies" discriminate out? Iron and more junk? Maybe good targets? Dig them all I am thinking. Just curious. Any information appreciated.

Thanks
Denis
 
Ive only had mine for a couple of weeks, but had it out eight times now. I found a copper dog tag in that zone. Lots of screw on caps.
 
dlh said:
What kind of targets fall between "tab' and where "pennies" discriminate out?

That's the basic lead, brass, bronze range. Civil war bullets, buttons, Indian Head cents. Some of the Indians fall around or just below the modern zinc pennies. Can also get bigger gold rings in that range. Men's class rings are frequently in that range. Brass referee's whistles, Cub Scout neckerchief slides sometimes are in that range.
Cheers,
tvr
 
Best thing to do is take various items such as coins, jewelry and junk and start air testing them at different discrimination settings. That way you will get a feel as to where things beep and disapear. Also large items no matter what the metal is can give you a positive signal even at max. This is true with all detectors. Especially if it has been down there a while. I normaly run my disc at the I in iron and dig every good signal. Even small gold can be found at that setting. If coins are your thing then indians and silver can be found at the line past tab. But nickles will be kicked out. Best of luck.
 
Listen to every target X'ing in all metal (pinpoint) and lift the coil to check signal strength.
Soon you will be able to tell what your disc is telling you with much more accuracy.
Don't depend on disc to filter junk by running it high unless you're in really trashy areas. Run it down by iron and you'll find more nickels and small jewelry.
The last nickel I dug was still breaking up just above iron. There will be many pull tabs and caps...has an appetite for aluminum that won't quit.
Expect to put about 100hrs in before you get really good calling your targets. Put in as much time as you can, every chance you get. It's worth it.
 
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Good question. As far as the upper disc area, I found one of my nicest silver rings at the zinc penny mark. I usually set my "V"'s disc to the line just above iron. All my gold jewelry even the very small pieces, fall above this line. If you can, take a few pieces of jewelry both gold and silver and pass them in front of the coil as you rotate the disc knob. This will give you a look at where things fall or disc out, and help identify what you may have before you dig. You have an excellent detector capable of incredible finds. Develop sound techniques, and understand how your detector works, and success will come quickly.
 
This is only your 6th post on the Findmall Forums so I am not familiar with your past metal detecting experiences and familiarity with detectors, or what your goal is. So, let me just take a stab at what I am reading, make some presumptions, and add my opinions ..... if you don't mind.


dlh said:
I got my Vaquero today and was able to go outside and play with it for a while.
Getting out to use the detector is good, especially in mid-January. Some can't get out and play right now. I always encourage anyone who has a new-to-them detector, be it their first or if they have owned a number of different makes and models, is to keep things simple.

Learn the control settings doing a table-top, 'air test' so that they are familiar with some basics of the Discrimination control. be attentive to the control adjustment and indicated target suggestions, then compare that with the sample targets used. Make sure all coins, when you are learning, are moved past the search coil as if laying 'flat' to the coil, moved across the center axis of the coil, and then do it at a minimum rejection level. Then, slowly increase the variable control to see where certain coins and other targets start to je rejected and then where they are cleanly rejected.

In going out the first week or two to 'learn' a new detector the most important things to learn are the allowable sweep speeds to know how much is required, and how fast is too fast. This will vary based upon the ground/medium you are hunting in.

You should also spend time learning the audio responses of smaller-size targets compared with larger-size targets. Iron ([size=small]ferrous[/size]) targets Vs non-ferrous targets. Also make use of the Pin-pointing feature to learn how to size-and-shape some targets to classify them as small or large, or perhaps elongated in shape. Then, master the art of Pin-Pointing targets with the new detector.

I also suggest never using any more then the minimum amount of Discrimination a person is comfortable with. In my case, I hunt some sites in a threshold-based All Metal mode, or with a model that allows for all metal detection at the minimum silver-search Discriminate setting. For most general day-to-day detecting, I seldom, ever, use more Discrimination than is required to just barely reject a sample nail laying on the ground.


dlh said:
I think I was able to ground balance ok so I started hunting a little in the yard.
I hope you mastered manual Ground Balance as it is a very important need when hunting in the All Metal mode. In time, once you learn your Vaquero and can 'advance' into a more skilled level, you can learn to set a peak-performance GB setting in the Discriminate mode, too. If you selected the All Metal mode, adjusted to hear a slight audio Threshold hum with the search coil held about 6" to 8" above the ground, then lowered the coil toward the ground and made the proper GB adjustments for a 'spot-on' to very slightly positive GB setting, you would be set for best performance .... in the All Metal mode.


dlh said:
My first target was discriminated out just before max. and thought it was a penny....a 3" piece of copper tubing.
Why use so much Discrimination when learning your new detector? Why would you 'think' it was a penny?

The copper tubing, 3" long, would have sounded much different than just a penny.

If you were 'guessing' that it might be a penny based upon something printed in the Owner's Manual or some labeling on the control display face, then I suggest that was an error. Here is why I feel this way:

1.. On so many models similar to the Vaquero, the labels on the decals do not always coincide with the actual rejection point, or acceptance point, of the Discrimination level.

2.. I have seen many models like that which have the potentiometer installed so as not to be properly regulated, or just having the control knob put on out-of-position, and that can result in an errant reading or setting.

3.. Finally, there are certain features on detectors that the 'average' hobbyists usually wants, and I mean average. That would be the newcomer or anyone who takes on the hobby as a simple, now-and-then activity to search for coins. Their main goal is just that .... coin hunting.

We have had metal detectors with variable Discrimination controls since the early '70s and we learned that it was handy to just knock out problem trash, such as iron nails. That was FORTY YEARS AGO! Naturally some who didn't like digging ANY junk could increase the Discrimination level to knock out iron nails, then bottle caps, then smaller foil and larger foil. In time they even improved the Discriminate range to reject the common ring-pull type tabs. Doing so, naturally, meant we would also lose the detection of the 5
 
Monte,

I don't mind opinions at all. That is why I come on here and I appreciate your post.
I started coming to this site not long ago from another because of the Tesoro Forum. That is why I have only 6 post here. My past experience was with a "big store" detector just to see if I enjoyed the hobby. And I did. My main objective was to find something (an MD) that was simple, well made with a good reputation and good customer service. I didnt want something that might have problems and didnt want to break the bank at the same time. I felt the Vaquero filled these needs. The manual ground balance would be something I would have to practice and willing to try. I live in an area where there are old mill sites, a couple dried up millrace's, woods and parks. So I guess you can say I will be coin and relic hunting. Will I be doing it 7 days a week? I doubt it. A couple days a week I hope. I am retired now so I can get out more often.
As far as today goes, I was only able to spend a short time with it after putting it together. After reading and playing with the ground balance I set the discrimination between iron and 5 cents, knowing from the past there was alot of junk in the yard, just to see what it sounded like. I know there will be learning curve. It will take time and patience.

Thanks alot for your input
Denis
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dlh said:
I don't mind opinions at all. That is why I come on here and I appreciate your post.
Thank you, and I am sure others who help also appreciate your wanting to learn and support this forum.

dlh said:
I started coming to this site not long ago from another because of the Tesoro Forum. That is why I have only 6 post here. My past experience was with a "big store" detector just to see if I enjoyed the hobby. And I did.
Again, you're on the right track because this is one of the better forums on the Internet.

dlh said:
My main objective was to find something (an MD) that was simple, well made with a good reputation and good customer service. I didnt want something that might have problems and didnt want to break the bank at the same time. I felt the Vaquero filled these needs.
The Vaquero will probably fill many needs for you. Probably not too many problems, and it is easy to learn.

dlh said:
The manual ground balance would be something I would have to practice and willing to try.
MManual Ground Balance is rather simple to learn, and once you arrive at any site and turn the detector on, you should be ready-to-go after about 5 to 15 seconds to complete the Ground Balance. Once you get a good feel for it, it will be easier. being "willing to try" is what it takes for people to succeed in this sport.

dlh said:
I live in an area where there are old mill sites, a couple dried up millrace's, woods and parks. So I guess you can say I will be coin and relic hunting. Will I be doing it 7 days a week? I doubt it. A couple days a week I hope. I am retired now so I can get out more often.
If you really get the bug, and since you are retired, you might just start spending a lot of time out detecting. More than a couple days a week,o be sure. In your environment I think hunting for coins and relics will keep you busy.

dlh said:
As far as today goes, I was only able to spend a short time with it after putting it together. After reading and playing with the ground balance I set the discrimination between iron and 5 cents, knowing from the past there was alot of junk in the yard, just to see what it sounded like. I know there will be learning curve. It will take time and patience.
The e"learning curve" isn't really long with that model. Simple-to-set controls make it easy to get started so all you need to really learn is the audio responses, how to pinpoint a target, and target recovery.

I hope you get out often and get comfortable with your detector. Have a great 2012,

Monte
 
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