I have problem with my vaquero and that is getting a good sound beep on iron,tin,square nails. I hunt a lot of ghost towns that are loaded with the afore mentioned items.Basically i end up digging scads of iron junk. My question is are there any detectors that disc. out iron better than the vacquero?thanksThe disc. is set just below a nickel.
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VAQUERO AND IRON
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digitaltim
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I love to hunt iron with the Vaq....
Not sure what to tell you, but it doesn't ignore it completely, iron will sound rough and blip.. I haven't seen a detector that ignores iron any better ...
I have seen detectors that will ignore aluminum better, but I try to dig everything, but iron so I don't mind.
Good luck
Not sure what to tell you, but it doesn't ignore it completely, iron will sound rough and blip.. I haven't seen a detector that ignores iron any better ...
I have seen detectors that will ignore aluminum better, but I try to dig everything, but iron so I don't mind.
Good luck
It has to do with the halo effect of the iron that is burried... if it's been in the ground for years the Iron/rust halo fools any detector and makes it beep. the best clue is listening to the sounds of your detector. Iron will have a more distinct souns than other desireable targets. best thing to do is to bury a test garden in your back yard and go over it repatedly and get to know your detectors distinct sounds on different burried objects. They all have a distinct sound.
Hope this helps,
Hope this helps,
Nauti
Well-known member
If you want a detector that ignores iron almost completely,you will have to get a minelab multi frequency machine.The iron discrim on these machines is incredible and you won't dig much at all...even deep horse shoes won't fool these machines.The only thing i would say though is that too much discrim can mean you miss small low conductivity items that are close to iron so it is better to set the discrim level where small iron just breaks through as a spitty signal and you can't do this with a multi frequency minelab.At the minelabs lowest setting even large pieces are ignored, which is far too much discrim for some sites.
I have a Compadre and it easily makes big pieces of iron disappear at discriminator settings at to just above iron. No need for a top end detector to get rid of the iron.
My Cibola and Tejon click on smaller iron and boom with an echo on large iron when the discriminator is set well above iron. The noise iron makes can be learned and you don't have to dig it if you don't want to. I suspect the Vaquero is very similar. I don't think the sound differentiation is quite as good when fully super tuned with the Cibola.
Seems the higher gain, more sensitive, Tesoro's don't discriminate as cleanly as the series that aren't as high gain.
When I first learned how cleanly the Compadre discriminates out large iron, I posted here and there was some discussion.
Maybe more experience can be added now.
Cheers,
tvr
My Cibola and Tejon click on smaller iron and boom with an echo on large iron when the discriminator is set well above iron. The noise iron makes can be learned and you don't have to dig it if you don't want to. I suspect the Vaquero is very similar. I don't think the sound differentiation is quite as good when fully super tuned with the Cibola.
Seems the higher gain, more sensitive, Tesoro's don't discriminate as cleanly as the series that aren't as high gain.
When I first learned how cleanly the Compadre discriminates out large iron, I posted here and there was some discussion.
Maybe more experience can be added now.
Cheers,
tvr
Ron
Try turning down the sensitivity, GB slightly positive. If you use a brisk sweep, slow down. This will help reduce falsing. As you work the target it should mask out most iron. For large iron, lift the coil and sweep. The signal will abruptly drop off.
If using a concentric coil (stock), you might try a DD or wide-scan coil (the 5.75 is a favorite). To me the DD seems better at sifting trashy areas for good targets and working highly mineralized soil. The trade-off is a loss of depth.
If you don't remove the iron, you will miss a lot of desirable targets. As advised earlier, do some testing. A staple 1-2 inches above a dime will mask it. A nail next to a dime can reduce its readable depth by a couple inches.
Hope this helps
Try turning down the sensitivity, GB slightly positive. If you use a brisk sweep, slow down. This will help reduce falsing. As you work the target it should mask out most iron. For large iron, lift the coil and sweep. The signal will abruptly drop off.
If using a concentric coil (stock), you might try a DD or wide-scan coil (the 5.75 is a favorite). To me the DD seems better at sifting trashy areas for good targets and working highly mineralized soil. The trade-off is a loss of depth.
If you don't remove the iron, you will miss a lot of desirable targets. As advised earlier, do some testing. A staple 1-2 inches above a dime will mask it. A nail next to a dime can reduce its readable depth by a couple inches.
Hope this helps
I think iron has a sharper "snap" to it on the HI Tone Vaquero. We learned this with the adjustable audio of the Tejon. If your V is not a HI Tone, you could send it back to Tesoro and for $15.00 they will convert it to a HI Tone machine. Good headphones will also help. There is a subtle but distinct sound that iron targets make, they have a real sharpness to them, but its hard to hear with cheap headphones. Good targets have a real "smoothness" to the audio that you dont get with iron.
Like TVR said, if you want the best clean iron rejection steer away from uMax and the new HOT models. Get a Compadre or Lobo ST that are still made, or past models like the original Lobo, Bandido, and Bandido II and some others.
As Monte explained, with the 'cry for depth'(and high gain), 'clean iron rejection' went out the window with the newer models.
Read that 2 page post that TVR put up above, expecially ALL of what Monte wrote to learn why:
HOT vs non-HOT and behavior around iron
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1010874,1010874#msg-1010874
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1010874,page=2
Monte was trying to tell Tesoro to make a full ED-180 Discrimination with 'clean iron rejection', with a Ground Balance adjustment in Disc. Mode. But they would not listen and still have not made a new machine available today that does this(except maybe the Tiger Shark). The Compadre and Lobo ST are the only ones available new now with 'clean iron rejection', but they have no GB in Disc. Mode. But I am not sure if the Tiger Shark, which has GB in Disc. Mode, has this 'clean iron rejection' but it may have, read on page=2 above about something on this.
Also some older Whites machines had 'clean iron rejection' as Monte explained.
As Monte explained, with the 'cry for depth'(and high gain), 'clean iron rejection' went out the window with the newer models.
Read that 2 page post that TVR put up above, expecially ALL of what Monte wrote to learn why:
HOT vs non-HOT and behavior around iron
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1010874,1010874#msg-1010874
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1010874,page=2
Monte was trying to tell Tesoro to make a full ED-180 Discrimination with 'clean iron rejection', with a Ground Balance adjustment in Disc. Mode. But they would not listen and still have not made a new machine available today that does this(except maybe the Tiger Shark). The Compadre and Lobo ST are the only ones available new now with 'clean iron rejection', but they have no GB in Disc. Mode. But I am not sure if the Tiger Shark, which has GB in Disc. Mode, has this 'clean iron rejection' but it may have, read on page=2 above about something on this.
Also some older Whites machines had 'clean iron rejection' as Monte explained.