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VALID info on the Coinstrike?
- Thread starter Tagamet
- Start date
mtdoramike
Well-known member
and I love it. What do you want to know? Is it a turn on and go machine, yes in factory preset mode only. Is it a hard machine to master YES unless you are one of the lucky few who took to it right away. If not and your like most of us, expect a 40-50 hour learning curve to really start to understand the Coinstrike and what its telling you.
Its one of the best relic machines on the market and from what I have learned lately, its a hell of a beach detector as well for wet or dry sand. One good thing about the C$ is it can knock out iron very well for example, I can hunt right next to a railroad track with the C$, but if I use a CZ, it will throw a hissy fit within 20 feet of a railroad track.
I hope this helps,
Mike
Its one of the best relic machines on the market and from what I have learned lately, its a hell of a beach detector as well for wet or dry sand. One good thing about the C$ is it can knock out iron very well for example, I can hunt right next to a railroad track with the C$, but if I use a CZ, it will throw a hissy fit within 20 feet of a railroad track.
I hope this helps,
Mike
Very good info. Thanks. It has 4 ID tones, but a numeric "score"? It's ID sounds a lot like the Garrett 1500 (which has a "belltone", but other responses (tones) might be good too).
Sounds like a pretty steep learning curve. No? How does it differ from the CZ 70?
Thanks again,
Tagamet
Sounds like a pretty steep learning curve. No? How does it differ from the CZ 70?
Thanks again,
Tagamet
mtdoramike
Well-known member
the CZ users. They think that the Coinstrike looks like a Fisher CZ so it should act the same way, but it doesn't. I'm a big CZ fan, but quickly being won over by the Coinstrike. The depth is every bit as good if not better then a CZ. But the tones are a little different then a CZ, but you get used to that. Plus even deep targets will sound crisp & clear. I've dug 10" deep targets that sounded like they were two inches deep, but when you pinpoint and hear the faint audio and see the numeric depth reading, you realize its a deepy.
I think with any detector, theres a learning curve to become good with a machine. CZ70 is about 25 hours, eventhough it seems like an easy to use detector, but they all have subtle differences when using them. The Coinsrike just has a lot more differences. If you like to fiddle with something and like a challenge then you will like the Coinstrike, but if you the type that likes a turn on and go machine and don't care about added features like ground tracking or averaging or creating and storing up to 3 programs for various hunt sites then you may want to consider another machine like the ID Excel etc.......
I think with any detector, theres a learning curve to become good with a machine. CZ70 is about 25 hours, eventhough it seems like an easy to use detector, but they all have subtle differences when using them. The Coinsrike just has a lot more differences. If you like to fiddle with something and like a challenge then you will like the Coinstrike, but if you the type that likes a turn on and go machine and don't care about added features like ground tracking or averaging or creating and storing up to 3 programs for various hunt sites then you may want to consider another machine like the ID Excel etc.......
We must remember its not a CZ and has a learning period..It has excellent ID, good depth and works well in trashy areas..Only thing that made me sell mine is that it loved rusty beer caps and our area is loaded with them...Many do well with them once learned and are a matter of personal preference...Might visit a Fisher dealer and look them over and of course always the Coinstrike classroom for info...Found some nice silver in the time I had mine up to 8 inches so they do work well for those taking the time to learn them..
I learned how to avoid the deep rusty nails of a CZ, but never could figure out a way to avoid those pesky beer bottle caps....
I learned how to avoid the deep rusty nails of a CZ, but never could figure out a way to avoid those pesky beer bottle caps....
mtdoramike
Well-known member
I would have beaten you to it. hahahahahahahaha
mtdoramike Wrote:
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> I would have beaten you to it. hahahahahahahaha
Yep, seems like an upright sort (I'm a shrink. I know these things - lol). He's right up there with Vernon_fowler (with whom I did my last trade).
Thanks for the reaasurance,
Tagamet
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> I would have beaten you to it. hahahahahahahaha
Yep, seems like an upright sort (I'm a shrink. I know these things - lol). He's right up there with Vernon_fowler (with whom I did my last trade).
Thanks for the reaasurance,
Tagamet
Bugar In. USA
Active member
Hey Big Red's m huntin buddy, and that C$ is a gooder, Big Red is a #1 fella too, even tho he's big enuf to go bear huntin with a switch
Yeah, he mentioned you, but to tell the truth getting a recommendation from a guy named Bugar reminded me of my days in Kin-tucky. Banjo music, Squeal like a pig. Stuff like that. (just funnin Ya)
I sent my side of the trade to him this PM, so you should swing by his place and check out his new toys.
Tagamet
I sent my side of the trade to him this PM, so you should swing by his place and check out his new toys.
Tagamet
Bugar In. USA
Active member
He was a tellin me whatall he was a gettin, sounds good, i think your C$ is one he got from me, whatever, theyr'e gooduns, do it all detectors
Am headin out in the morn for some relic diggin in Tn. for a while, so won't b round for a while, will be beepin with The General (Ron of Ron's detector's) and Russ Tn. #1 guys, you enjoy and have a good time
Am headin out in the morn for some relic diggin in Tn. for a while, so won't b round for a while, will be beepin with The General (Ron of Ron's detector's) and Russ Tn. #1 guys, you enjoy and have a good time
If so, can someone point me in it's direction? I D/L'd the manual, but was wondering if anything else is available. I haven't seen any books dedicated to Fisher units. Is there such an animal?
TIA,
Tagamet
PS A good reference on learning HOW TO research an area would also be great.
TIA,
Tagamet
PS A good reference on learning HOW TO research an area would also be great.
To My knowledge there is Not a tutorial available or any Books Just for the Coinstrike. However I did send you a Private message with a link to a very good site on the Coinstrike. The closest Thing we have to a tutorial would be the Coinstrike Classroom....Professor Bill Ladd Teachin us all about the Coinstrike and Id Excel.... he has many top students like Tony, Bugar, Mtdoramike, Jackpine......They are always there to help you through the learning curve. My advice is forget everything you learned about detectors and Look at the coinstrike from all directions and learn how the different settings effect this machine....be patient.....and ask lots of questions. like I told you on the phone It is a different animal.
Mark in NC
Member
I traded it, not because it didn't find stuff, because it indeed did! (some of my oldest & deepest to date). I just wanted to try on the different detectors I read about here on the forums. The C$ is unusual in its set up and detecting ability. The thing that I think overwhelms most folks when they first use them is the numerical ID that can change very, very quickly compared to other machines with id. They swing it over a coin, and it doesn't always "lock", but instead gives you a real time view of what the signal sees down there. Your eyes and brain become the secondary discriminator. For example in a particular swing of the coil, you might see -10, 13, and a 32. Chances are, if you begin to quicken and shorten your sweeps and "home in" on these signals you'll find there were 3 individual targets down there, all passed over in a sweep. Some folks however, would view this as just being "jumpy" on the actual coin (32) signal. There is very little, if anything, the things won't see. I may not decide to dig it, but it's not because the C$ didn't tell me about it. When you get your C$, give it time. Take it to some easy digging places at first, with high probability of coins (school yards, playgrounds, etc.) and give her a fair run. Don't run it too hot. Bill's 5 sensitivity -25 threshold is a great starting place (and in a school yard, -30 or -35 won't hurt a thing) ...
HH'n
Mark in NC
HH'n
Mark in NC
Thanks for the hands-on experiences. It's exactly the kind of advice I need. Actually, I need ALL kinds of advice! It's encouraging to hear that you liked the machine well enough to go back to it.
Should I assume that a smaller coil would "see" fewer things at a time and therefore give fewer or more stable numerical readings? From what I've read the C$ only has the one, stock size coil, so it's probably a moot point anyway.
Thanks again,
Tagamet
Should I assume that a smaller coil would "see" fewer things at a time and therefore give fewer or more stable numerical readings? From what I've read the C$ only has the one, stock size coil, so it's probably a moot point anyway.
Thanks again,
Tagamet
You put something into words that I have trouble explaining to new C$ users.....that folks that may call the C$, too jumpy or noisey are really most likely passing over 3-4 other things on the sweep.....This is a large part of the learning curve....learning to isolate the goodies. This is why I often send new users to an open soccer field or something. Too often people hear the C$ is great in trash so they go to the trashiest homesite they know & get overwhelmed by flashing numbers & 4 tones....
Seeing a bunch a numbers on 1 sweep happens all the time, & I have learned to sweep in from another angle to try to isolate that +32 you saw. I have learned to love this real time response, as I like to watch the screen to see what's in the ground for iron, etc.... you can quickly see how much trash your dealing with & it's helped me find the exact location of some early house sites as well....
Seeing a bunch a numbers on 1 sweep happens all the time, & I have learned to sweep in from another angle to try to isolate that +32 you saw. I have learned to love this real time response, as I like to watch the screen to see what's in the ground for iron, etc.... you can quickly see how much trash your dealing with & it's helped me find the exact location of some early house sites as well....
Bill Ladd 525 Wrote:
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> You put something into words that I have trouble
> explaining to new C$ users.....that folks that may
> call the C$, too jumpy or noisey are really most
> likely passing over 3-4 other things on the
> sweep.....This is a large part of the learning
> curve....learning to isolate the goodies. This is
> why I often send new users to an open soccer field
> or something. Too often people hear the C$ is
> great in trash so they go to the trashiest
> homesite they know & get overwhelmed by flashing
> numbers & 4 tones....
> Seeing a bunch a numbers on 1 sweep happens all
> the time, & I have learned to sweep in from
> another angle to try to isolate that +32 you saw.
> I have learned to love this real time response, as
> I like to watch the screen to see what's in the
> ground for iron, etc.... you can quickly see how
> much trash your dealing with & it's helped me find
> the exact location of some early house sites as
> well....
So you are saying that all of the numbers are accurate?
Tagamet
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> You put something into words that I have trouble
> explaining to new C$ users.....that folks that may
> call the C$, too jumpy or noisey are really most
> likely passing over 3-4 other things on the
> sweep.....This is a large part of the learning
> curve....learning to isolate the goodies. This is
> why I often send new users to an open soccer field
> or something. Too often people hear the C$ is
> great in trash so they go to the trashiest
> homesite they know & get overwhelmed by flashing
> numbers & 4 tones....
> Seeing a bunch a numbers on 1 sweep happens all
> the time, & I have learned to sweep in from
> another angle to try to isolate that +32 you saw.
> I have learned to love this real time response, as
> I like to watch the screen to see what's in the
> ground for iron, etc.... you can quickly see how
> much trash your dealing with & it's helped me find
> the exact location of some early house sites as
> well....
So you are saying that all of the numbers are accurate?
Tagamet