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V3i Wrap & Span Settings (having a senior moment)

Napper

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I've managed to get to grips with most of the V3i settings & how to alter settings to get the best from my V3i....However, the use of wrap & span (what determines, how to select the settings) has my 71 year old brain scrambled....

Most of the wrap/span settings in correlate mode in the V3i pre set prog's are Span 30, Wrap -91....Now from what I have found out so far (please correct me if I'am wrong) is that Span settings are determined by your soil mineral levels, ie low min you can reduce your span settings, higher mineral use higher span settings.....What determines the setting of a Wrap of -91 why not set it at -80, how do I decide what wrap setting to use ?

Without getting too technical (my brain ain't as fast as it used to be) can any one please explain in simple terms what criteria determines the settings of wrap & span...:shrug:

Thanks in anticipation...Regards Napper..
 
Hi Napper,

I am no expert but I copied the following post that was written by a person that is an expert. Hope you find it helpful.

Bob
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Explanation Of Span & Wrap

Without getting too technical - of which I am often "accused" .... here's a brief explaination of SPAN and WRAP ....

To understand these two features, it is necessary to understand the basics of "Correlation". With Correlate = ON, Spectra first looks at the target return from all three frequencies. It then picks the two that are hitting the hardest, and compares the information from these signals to see how closely they match (correlate). By adjusting SPAN and WRAP, you can tell Spectra how closely you want the target frequency information to match before it considers the target GOOD. This is an excellent tool if you find yourself in an iron-rich environment, and it also helps reduce the effects of EMI. With these basics in place, you can now better understand the explaination of SPAN and WRAP that follows .....

SPAN determines how much difference (how many VDI numbers) are "allowed" between frequencies for the target to be "accepted". In my program, I allow "20", which is based on a lot of testing of various types and sizes of targets from small bits of foil to large gold rings. After I got all the readings from all the frequencies for all the targets loaded into a matrix, I looked at the MIN / MAX / MEAN / AVERAGE of the universe, and then added about 30% to the WORST CASE scenario to account for bad ground, adjacent junk, etc. Increasing any further will allow more bad targets to be accepted, but that might be better if your soil is REALLY bad. Mine is "sweet", so I can actually run with SPAN = 15 w/o any kind of significant target dropout, etc. However, at that setting, adjacent junk (bottlecap next to a coin / foil next to gold) has the effect of causing "sputter". The extra 5 points is all I needed to clean up and restore the "good target" status. If you ran SPAN = 40, it probably wouldn't hurt anything in terms of performance, especially if you have a lot of mineralization to deal with. The range is 0 to 190. Zero says "everything is an exact match" and that makes no sense. 190 says "everything is a match". That's dumb too. Again, my setting of 20 was developed doing bench and field testing IN MY GROUND. Jack (CyberSage) runs his Span around 35 if memory serves, so if you cranked yours up to 40, you'd be close to both of us. Try it with some targets in your ground to get "the right answer" for YOUR area.

WRAP controls how far high end signals (+90's) can go from the +95 into the -90's region (wrap around) and still be considered a good target. If WRAP is set = OFF, any signal that "wraps" into the -90's is immediately disregarded. That's not getting the most out of the correlate feature. Soooo - by adding a wrap limit of -94, I'm giving something like a silver dollar, in high mineralization or next to a piece of junk the opportunity to "wrap" all the way to -94 before its kicked out of the pool. For what its worth, Jack (CyberSage) and I arrived at this setting independently. Range = -95 to -90. The HIGHER the number, the closer to +95, and the less wrap accepted. -95 IMHO is "too tight" and anything more is bringing in too much junk, which is counter to the reason we're using Correlate in the first place .... Good, bad or moderate ground, I don't think I'd go any further then -94 on the Wrap.

Hope this answers your questions, and hope this is helpful. Let us know how the Correlate program works out for you and what you did to optimize performance in YOUR ground. Thanks. Da FoX
 
I allow "20". Increasing any further will allow more bad targets to be accepted, but that might be better if your soil is REALLY bad. Mine is "sweet".

George is in Florida and his ground is so mineral free sometimes you can
 
Thanks guy's for your replies & advice, I now have a better understanding of Wrap & Span...

Cheers Bob....
 
Does the Wrap half to be turned on or off for the span -20 and -94 to function. I am a newbee to this detector.
Just got it 2 weeks ago and also I managed to delete the original coin & Jewelry Program and I cant find it anywhere to restore it. I have a copy of the one I made changes to but cant seem to find the original or is it gone forever. And how do I get it in the proper order where it was. Now the copy is at the end of all the Programs and I do not like it there. Im like MONK do like things out of place. Also I though this detector would go deeper than the DI 6000 Pro SL thats what I was playing with. Other than making adjustments every few minutes because the oscillator is not stable you no old technology.
Reason for buying this new one. No Ground Hum with this new one I can turn Boost On if needed. NOW I want to find coins deeper than 7 inches. Frank at mypenneys@hotmail.com
 
You said you have only had your unit 2 weeks. My advice is experiment all you want but only make adjustments after you understand what they do. Just lately a guy said he had trouble with depth, The advice a guy gave him was RX7, AM100, Disc75. The problem is the high AM 100 does nothing unless you hunt in all metal or one of the mixed modes. The V31 gets it's depth mostly from it's sensitivity and he has his Disc sensitivity at 75 well below the 85 - 88 of the stock programs.

Does the Wrap half to be turned on or off for the span -20 and -94 to function. I am a newbee to this detector. ( It doesn't have to be on for span to work, but it has to be on for wrap to work. You have to adjust the span and wrap up or down with the arrows. It's 20 not -20, and 20, -94 is not the default).
Just got it 2 weeks ago and also I managed to delete the original coin & Jewelry Program and I cant find it anywhere to restore it. (Go to expert menu, then restore/load and get it from the library). I have a copy of the one I made changes to but cant seem to find the original or is it gone forever. And how do I get it in the proper order where it was. Now the copy is at the end of all the Programs and I do not like it there. Im like MONK do like things out of place. (Highlight the program, press enter and hold it, then use the up arrows to move it to the top). Also I though this detector would go deeper than the DI 6000 Pro SL ( It does ) thats what I was playing with. Other than making adjustments every few minutes because the oscillator is not stable you no old technology. ( I don't understand)
Reason for buying this new one. No Ground Hum with this new one I can turn Boost On if needed. NOW I want to find coins deeper than 7 inches.
 
I'm still a little lost or maybe plain brain dead. On WRAP or I've read GOING AROUND THE CORNER what does that do in respect to the vdi number? Does say a dollar and a nail give the assigned tone of +94 but show as a -94 ? Or does the vdi go all the way up to say +94 I have read this and others describe this many different times and for some reason I can't fiqure what the out come should be.
Thanks for any replies: Robert
 
It helps to think of the VDI scale as a complete circle, which it is, with -95 and +95 right next to each other and not at extreme opposite ends of the scale. A target VDI may move or wrap around from the + side to the - side or vice versa do to many factors either in the target structure (rusty iron) or how the received targets are filtered IE: Correlate mode. The tones you hear will depend on how you have tones set up but Wrap will allow you to hear a normally rejected target, -94 as a good target. I'm not sure what a wrap target would read as....... maybe +95 giving +95 audio........:shrug: I don't pay that much attention to the VDI's.
 
Larry: Thank you for replying to my question, I am back to reading all the other info I can find on this subject so I can have a complete understanding of the v3i. I estimate in my condition it should only take another year :clapping: I have gained a lot of knowledge from this forum as there are many smart contributors here. Thank you, Robert
 
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R-Chi said:
I'm still a little lost or maybe plain brain dead. On WRAP or I've read GOING AROUND THE CORNER what does that do in respect to the vdi number? Does say a dollar and a nail give the assigned tone of +94 but show as a -94 ? Or does the vdi go all the way up to say +94 I have read this and others describe this many different times and for some reason I can't fiqure what the out come should be.
Thanks for any replies: Robert
I think a good target like silver dollar which is big on it's size should probably reads a vdi +90 to +94 so with iron next to it in the ground, a nail for example -normally should raise it a bit- so it will be pass the scale to -94 or something. this is a wrap around, the dollar and the nail together. So after using wrapwith the limit -94 when it will be thrown to the vdi -94 it will be discriminated good by the detector with good tone as you assigned for good targets and not as junk with the tone as it is assigned for junk as the low tone, for example. The best thing is to do a test now with deferent targets big enough to see how the detector reacts on tones and vdis. I hope that helped you.
 
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