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V3i Experts a question please

Elton

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Live Controls ............. Ground Probe............. Ground tracking ..........Zoomed

When the secondary screen comes up Ground Probe readings ( Page 21 in manual V3i Bottom setting for clarity of what I am asking about)

What exactly am I looking for in the readings, and what do I do once I see these readings and hit Zero waist high . Lower back down to the ground..per the manual.

Then what.......... will this dictate some adjustments ??? Book isn't real clear on what you do next.. Phase & Strength readings.
 
I searched Phase Strength for the past 90 days and came up with tons of info.

Here is one of them:

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?66,1648598,1667022#msg-1667022
 
n/t
 
Ground Probe

The ground probe is just another tool. Many people do great and never use it. It is used to help tell the type of soil you are hunting in. This can help make a choice of gains, frequency, filter, or coil.

The right side of the screen reports the phase and strength of the residual signal, and does so for each individual frequency. This is useful for analyzing the characteristics of the ground, but only if the residual signal consists purely of ground signal. This will be true if (1) we can get rid of other residual signals like an imperfect loop null, and (2) if we put the loop over target-free ground. To get rid of any residual loop null signal, hold the loop in the air and away from metal, TAB to select the Zero button, and press ENTER. Ground Probe is now zeroed and you should see the Strength numbers go to 0% and the phase numbers jump around a lot. Now you can lower the loop to the ground, careful to avoid targets, and the Phase and Strength numbers will be that of the ground.

"PHASE ANGLE" is the measured difference between the transmitted signal and the signal received from the target. Different materials have different characteristics (resistivity, reflectivity, conductivity, density, etc) which affect the signal that is returned from that specific target. It is this difference between the transmitted and returned signal (phase angle) that is measured. The VDI reading at the top of the screen is converted from the phase into VDI units like you'd see for normal targets such as (VDI = 19 = a nickel.
The detector only reports VDIs converted from positive phase angles (0 to 180 degrees). The negative angles aren't valid. In the ground probe screen, you may see negative angles if you are holding the coil in the air so there is no real signal coming in, just noise, or you haven't zeroed it yet. When you zero the detector, it removes the system and coil offsets and enables the user to achieve a more accurate reading of the ground. Once you zero the machine and lower it to the ground your phase angles should come in between 0 and 180 degrees.
A ferrite bead will come in very close to 180 degrees (-95 VDI). Most ground that we see is 178 degrees (-94 VDI) to 165 degrees. Salt water, wet beach or fields with lots of fertilizer come in close to 90 degrees (0 VDI).

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The VDI reading is converted from the ground phase normalized to standard VDI units. It's either going to be from the strongest signal if the detector is running best data, or the average of the two strongest signals if correlate is selected.
The phase tells you composition (between purely ferrous and purely salt), while the signal strength tells you the concentration (more mineralized). If you have ground coming in at -94(VDI) with a signal strength of 2% and another ground coming in at -91 with a signal strength of 7%, it would seem that the ground coming in at -91 is more mineralized even though it is a less negative number. A signal strength of the ground as follows 0 to 10% weak, 10% to 20% Moderate and 20% and up to be strong. The lower the mineralization, the slower one should sweep - which may mean a lower filter should be selected.
 
It comes in handy when comparing or checking coils but for hunting I don't use it either.
 
I think I am getting what your saying... This reading is a tool for telling me where to set filters and in that understanding will dictate how I swing the coil in that area.

What would you run ?. Best data, or correlate while detecting....... Am I understanding correctly Best date is the most accurate readings capable on the detector..and correlate is a combination of the three frequency out put, and return signal.. interpreted by the processor. Or am I all wrong in my thinking.. ????
 
It is not telling you how to set anything, make your settings to what works best for you. I use Best Data most of the time and Correlate in the trash but that is just my preference, again use what works best for you Elton. Some users like single frequency and others like Mixed mode, that is what is so nice with the V3i, you can set it up however you like it.

Correlate compares the best two of the three frequencies for a particular target and they must agree to trigger a VDI.
 
Ok Got it Larry Thanks
 
OK, I ran the probe in my yard.

1 the VDI reading was - 85. This tells me that the soil in my yard is less ferrous than the soil I hunt in the parks and schools in town, which usually runs around -93 to -91. This could be my fill or fertilizer. It's raining so the wet fertilizer could be pushing it more toward salt. The phase readings just let you see each frequency not the composite VDI. This helps to decide if I want to use normal soil, salt soil, salt compensate.

2 The strength was below 2% so the the soil is low in mineral concentration. I can run the D2 at RX15 and the signal % is around 15% and the noise% was low so the two probes agree. My yard I can hunt at RX15, low filter and with the D2.

The ground strength varies with RX. At RX10 the strength was around 1.5% and at RX15 it was around 3%. So you can see if you get a high strength % (high mineralization) lowering the RX will help. Going to a higher filter might help and using a different coil might help. (smaller coil, DD coil )

It just is another help to zero in the detector. A quick look just tells me if I am in soil that differs from my usual soil and my program might need a tweak to compensate. Fore instance in Texas the soil was less ferrous, more sandy and salty than in Illinois.
 
Rob (IL) said:
detector. Fore instance in Texas the soil was less ferrous, more sandy and salty than in Illinois.

And soooooooooooooooooo different in Oregon!
 
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