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User Mode and Descrimination - Whats the Difference?

Relco

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Hello all, new user. Studying the owners manual and Andy's book, I still can't grasp how User Mode and Descrimination relate to each other. Understand the Descrimination portion, but then when a User mode is selected it all changes.

The onscreen emulator is a fantastic learning tool !
 
Modes are selected according to what you are hunting. Coins, beach or Relics. Discrimination eliminates the ferrous targets(iron) and other unwanted targets associated with the mode you choose to hunt in. Regardless of what mode you choose you can push the mask button and go to an open screen with no discrimination or you can use the accept or reject button and set the discrimination the way you want it. Andy's book helps explain this in each mode. HH :minelab:
 
Thanks.

So if its in stock coin mode, and I change the descrimination to "Coins". Is it in the stock coins mode or in the descrimination coins mode?
 
your gettig two things confused. there is user mode and there is discrimination. the mode is the way the machine is set to use the discrimination is the pattern or items you want to discriminate or "block" out from hearing or seeing by your detector. you just need to read those sections again till you see what it is that your not quite seeing the difference of.
 
Yea, its confusing. So a User mode contains various settings (sensitivity, audio) and a saved/selected discrimination pattern?
 
The way I understand it is mode changes settings such as tone like ferrous or conductive etc. or others settings where discrimination/patterns only changes what VDI numbers are excepted or rejected. When you load/create a mode it not only can changes the pattern/discrimination, but it also can change the other settings. When you load a discrimination pattern nothing changes but what gets accepted and what gets rejected.
 
Thanks ! Your explanation is the first one that made sense! I'll keep reading Andy's book and the Minelab manual. Thanks again.
 
The e-Trac is NOT like other machines where you just turn a knob and DISC out items. you MUST make patterns and selectively DISC out areas of trash you do not wish to dig...It is more like a multi-NOTCH than a DISC...I normally run in the stock Coins mode, or the trashy park pattern, or TTF if in a really trashy spot.

HH,
 
Relco said:
Any way to rename "My Pattern 1" or the others to something else? Like "Town Park"?

No you can't do that. I think you understand now that a mode contains settings that you have elected such as variability, fast on etc. When you select a discrimination pattern it just changes the discrimination of the mode you are using. So you can use same discrimination pattern on completely different modes and it does not change. Your mode settings the next time you select that mode.
 
Spent a few hours detecting over the weekend, a few old wheats, lots of aluminum and a toy gun. Still confused about modes and how they relate to descrimination. I see some exchange files with mode and descrimination, and other downloads with only descrimination.

Modes.... What the?
 
Once you have a pattern/discrimination that you like and have changed the setting to what you like, say the stuff like DEEP = ON, FAST = ON and or others settings you save it as a MODE. If you have your settings set the way you like and only want to change the discrimination pattern then you load/save/edit the Discrimination pattern. When you load/save/edit a USER MODES you load/save/edit settings other than just the discrimination pattern.
 
Let me take a swing at this since it also confused me - until I read (and re-read) Andy's book.

Modes determine the settings used for the various options of the way the Etrac responds to targets. These are for the various settings used in the menu headers such as: Sensitivity, Audio, Expert and Preferences. Each mode can have a different group of settings under all those headers. You have a total of 8 modes available: 4 are preset by Minelab and cannot be permanently altered, at least not under their Minelab mode names. 4 are defined by the user. You can change variables in the Sensitivity, Audio, Expert and Preferences headers and then save them for later use.

Discrimination, better referred to as Patterns determine what targets will be reported by the detector and which will be ignored (nulling - a momentary loss of any sound - even threshold). Patterns are what allow you to use Bill S's trashy park program with great success in trashy parks and what allows you to sniff out the oldies in Andy's old coin program. But regardless of which pattern you use, the sounds (Conductive versus Ferrous; Normal, Long, Smooth or Pitch Hold; Pinpoint mode, etc.) all remain the same according to the Mode you initially selected. And if you didn't manually select a mode, the Etrac uses the same mode you used when you last used the machine. I believe that the first time you ever turn the Etrac on from the factory, you are in Etrac "Coins" mode.

What may be confusing is that each Mode comes with its own discrimination pattern. On page 46 of Andy's book, he refers to this as the 4 Free Bonus Patterns. While the 4 Minelab Modes can't be altered permanently in the machine, the 4 User modes can be. As each user mode is defined and saved, the discrimination pattern being used at the time of saving is saved with it. So you can essentially save a total of 10 patterns on the Etrac, 4 are defined along with the mode settings and 6 are defined independently of mode settings (they adopt whichever mode settings are currently in use.).

I'll give you an example based on how I have my Etrac set up (I wish I knew how to include screen shots!):

My User Mode 1 is TTF (Two Tone Ferrous) with a completely open discrimination pattern. Some of my settings include: Ferrous sounds, 2 tones, Normal Response, Normal pinpointing.

User mode 2 is also TTF, but with some discrimination on the non-ferrous side of the screen.

User mode 3 is all the settings of the Minelab Coins mode but using Bill S's trashy park pattern.

User mode 4 is Andy's old coin settings using my own Old Coins discrimination pattern.

Now if I selected User Mode 1 and then selected a discrimination pattern similar to the Bill S's trashy park program, I would get the same tone for every target. This is because I would be using two tones, but since one of the tones would be for ferrous targets which I have discriminated out by my choice of pattern, I would never hear the ferrous tone.

Now if I selected User Mode 4 and then selected a pattern of a wide open screen, I would hear every target in the ground along the full scale of multiple tones based on conductivity. In the ghost towns where I typically hunt, I would typically last about 10 minutes using this method! :rant:

Hope that helps.

Let me get on a 'soapbox' here for a second and just say that it would've been very nice to have the ability to assign our own names to both our user modes and our patterns. While I think most experienced users can visualize what targets will be likely to produce a response with any given discrimination pattern, it would be very nice to have the option of giving them names. Shame on you, Minelab, this would have been so easy from a programmer's point of view.
 
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