Unspoken Major asset of the Ace250!

[Mick in Dubbo]

Excuse me if I sound like some sort of lunatic, but in all the time I have observed this site (on and off for the last 12 months), I have never heard anybody discuss the Ace's ability to be able to discriminate between coins and and rubbish, while pinpointing a target!
I've tried to use the standard pinpoint that is on the Garrett's site. It doesn't seem to work for me.
What I have found to work, is the method posted here by John from Edmonton, on the 29 of April last year.Thanks John. This method, involves locating the target, then with the coil to one side of the target, hitting the pinpoint button and while holding it down, slide the coil from side to side till you can centre the target and then side the coil either forward or back toward you till the target disappears.If the the target is is the top 2 inches, then where it drops out is directly under the T intersection of the inner coil to the connection to the outer coil. It is DEAD ACCURATE!! If the target is deeper, (remembering that the signal shape below the the coil forms a cone shape) then the target will be proportionally closer to the centre of the coil the deeper you go.
Using this method today, and having yet another sad day as far as finding coins go, only 3 in 2 hours (even left the battery at home for my Pocket UniProbe, so I had to stop being lazy with pinpointing and pinpoint accurately) I tried some experiments. While hunting on this same oval a couple of weeks ago, I discovered that after getting ticked off with pulling up what felt like a million screw cap (these are on the same notch as our $1 and $2 coins) I chucked down a test coin and found that when pinpointing a coin, the signal would stop abruptly. When pinpointing a screw cap, the signal would want to hang on and fade rather than a sudden stop. Anyway, I carried out some further experiments today and found that this tends to apply to most junk targets, with the exception of twist tops which also respond like a coin, but is generally below most coins on the TID.
Using this information today, I decided to pinpoint a number of junk items. The reason that I did this, is because most of our nickel plated coins fall in the same range. As a result, 2 of the three coins I found today, were in fact reading as junk items on the TID, but in pinpointing them, I could tell strait away that they were indeed, coins!! This I did with 90% certainty of them being coins!
THIS IS A MAJOR ADVANTAGE OVER MOST OTHER MACHINES IN THIS CLASS OF DETECTOR!
I don't pretend to be overly experienced, with about a total of 400 hours detecting on 4 different machines, but I have not come across a machine that is capable of this form of discrimination. With only 30 hrs on this machine so far, I feel that I've still got a bit of learning to do with it, but are these sort of abilities just seen as a given, and nobody ever bothers to comment on, or is it something that is generally not known about.
Thanks for any comments.
Mick Evans.

 

[John-Edmonton]

The audio stops abruptly if it's a coin, but lags on if it is a piece of junk. Another good thing to know that isn't printed in the manual

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[John 'n' W.Va]

Deep coins don't end so abruptly. I do mostly trashy area. I have the stock coil. Many times I can't pp. When I pp it can looks like it is really large. I shake the coil, almost vibrate it. At one end of my original pp it will read good and the other end will read bad. I shake it on the good end and pp the good target that way. Sometimes I shovel out the area and scatter the debris to separate it all. It is easy for me. We have a lot of loose sand here.

 

[DavHut]

I think John (FL) has something there - deep coins may not react the same.

But it is a nice bit of info to know-o. Thanks, mate!

And, hey Mick - if lunacy is a crime around here, well, Ill see you in court. Im doomed.

 

[NM5K]

Often when pinpointing an object, you can release the
pinpoint button, going back to ID mode, and then just give a
little wiggle back and forth, or forwards/backwards and
usually you will get an ID of the object being pinpointed.
If it's a coin or other goodie, it will usually sound off
with a bell tone.
MK

 

[Rosco Bookbinder]

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[Mick in Dubbo]

Thanks to all on the feed back. Just got a couple of questions.
When you say that coins don't respond the same way when they are deep, are you implying ones that are 6 inches or more, or a bit shallower?
As naive as it might sound, I am not quite sure what is referred to as the bell tone. Is it the double clear chime that you get when going over shallow targets, or is it just any clear single chimes that you get from the 1 cent icon and above? Our $1 and $2 coins come in at this notch plus the one to the right of it, and I was wondering that being only just high enough to register in this range, whether that had any effect on the bell tone?
Thanks.
Mick Evans.

 

[Uncle Willy]

It's known. We just didn't think to comment about it. When pinpointing coins will generally drop off instantly while other targets will drag it out a bit. Now you know of another little trick the 250 has.

If you would just practice with that pinpointing I think youcould master it. When you are scanning side to side to center the target before dragging the coil back - make sure it's centered right on, cause if you don't your target can wind of anywhere. Centering correctly is critical with all Garretts.

Bill

 

[Uncle Willy]

If you go over a shallow coin and move the coil back and forth over it the tone will sound like a phone ringing.

Bill

 

[Mick in Dubbo]

Thanks for the tip Bill.
Are there any other little tricks like this up the Aces slieve worth knowing about?
Thanks,
Mick Evans.