Ultimate coil and pinpointing

[bubbadirect]

Well I was back at it yesterday at my relic cw spot in central Kentucky. I have a few other postings, I have had more issues pinpointing with the 13 inch ultimthe. e

Where does it pinpoint for YOU, dead on center? A bit north of center, etc? Unless it is a small tight signal, I am having a hard time pinpointing and would LOVE TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE AND THEIR INPUT on this issue.

I did try out the "tapping method " and found it to be very helpful too. And on those iffy type signals, when tapping, if it gave a majority of readings as iron, it was iron. And vice versa

Bubba

 

[LittleJohn]

The ultimate coil I had pinpointed on the front of the notch of the coil or at the rear notch of the coil...never in the center. Waggle it and walk it back till it just starts to lose the signal and your target will be right there in the notch every time.

LittleJohn

 

[sekypaleo]

Bubba just "X" it. While in disc mode or while pinpointing note the spot on ground where signal is strongest. the turn 90 degrees and do same thing...where they cross is your target. This is the way I do it and I am always spot on...if I dig down and I find with my pinpointer that the target is off to the side then the target was iron/ferrous. This is the way I have found the easiest to pinpoint with the Ultimate...takes me just a couple seconds.

 

[LittleJohn]

concentric coils use the X method

I must say this is the first time I have ever heard anyone say to X a target and go 90 degrees and X it with a DD coil....perhaps I have been doing it wrong all these years. Listen to sekypaleo...evidently I am not doing it correctly.

LittleJohn

 

[GroundScanner]

I always X the target. I never use the pinpoint option. And my coils are DD,s . GS

 

[sekypaleo]

"X" ing with a DD coil is much easier than a concentric since the DD creates a wiper pattern instead of a cone

 

[LittleJohn]

"X" ing with a DD coil is much easier than a concentric since the DD creates a wiper pattern instead of a cone[/q

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Ok I been doing it all wrong... thanks for the heads up fellas.

LittleJohn

 

[hershey1]

I do like Little John wiggle the coil and pull it towards me when the target signal goes away your target is just in front of the coil. Whatever works for you is the best method. Practice outside where you can see the target and if you come up with an easier pin-pointing method let us know.

 

[mudpuppy]

I tap coil...really fast and deadly accurate on 5"- surface targets...weeds out the iron trash that wants to sound like a D or Q too...the change in tone strength tells you how deep the target is as well...really handy in a trashy area where there could be more than one target under the coil, and a side to side wiggle wont work...11" DD coil on an F70 by the way...I seldom use the PP button or even a hand held..maybe once every 200 targets, and then only on those long ones that might be a chain...
Mud

 

[LittleJohn]

Can you explain this tap method?

 

[mudpuppy]

I call it the "coil hop" used in conjunction with the "stoop N stab" screwdriver,... been doing this for a couple years..posted a bunch about it on the F series forum....a really fast but gentle tap on top of a target, you keep tapping as you rotate 90 degrees....you dont even have to rotate your body if you dont want to, just the coil....according to the sound strength,,you know what it is, where it is, and how deep...a quick vertical tap of only a few inches...maybe 4 taps per second, maybe more, like a drummer...
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So you get super quick feedback, on account of you can tap quicker than you can swing side to side or wiggle...takes less time to do it than type it out....from initial target ping to pouch in less than 10 seconds generally...you dont kneel, or dig, just stoop and stab...straight killer on 3" targets...the 4's and 5's too, but it takes longer to get them out, so you may have to drop to one knee every so often, so it looks like you are genuflecting, just that quick....also run a low sens...too high a sens and the sound volumne wont change enough to tell you depth...also its a good idea to wear light weight loose fitting pants, tight pants will crush your boys with all the stoopin' N stabbin' many century days will follow, practically all of your days will be century days from now on, just on account of you can get on top of more targets in a shorter time..

I dont know if this works on other rigs...I think you need a fast recovery circuit, but maybe not..it sure works on the F70...this is how I "hunt N harvest"..
Mud

 

[bubbadirect]

I call it the "coil hop" used in conjunction with the "stoop N stab" screwdriver,... been doing this for a couple years..posted a bunch about it on the F series forum....a really fast but gentle tap on top of a target, you keep tapping as you rotate 90 degrees....you dont even have to rotate your body if you dont want to, just the coil....according to the sound strength,,you know what it is, where it is, and how deep...a quick vertical tap of only a few inches...maybe 4 taps per second, maybe more, like a drummer...
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So you get super quick feedback, on account of you can tap quicker than you can swing side to side or wiggle...takes less time to do it than type it out....from initial target ping to pouch in less than 10 seconds generally...you dont kneel, or dig, just stoop and stab...straight killer on 3" targets...the 4's and 5's too, but it takes longer to get them out, so you may have to drop to one knee every so often, so it looks like you are genuflecting, just that quick....also run a low sens...too high a sens and the sound volumne wont change enough to tell you depth...also its a good idea to wear light weight loose fitting pants, tight pants will crush your boys with all the stoopin' N stabbin' many century days will follow, practically all of your days will be century days from now on, just on account of you can get on top of more targets in a shorter time..

I dont know if this works on other rigs...I think you need a fast recovery circuit, but maybe not..it sure works on the F70...this is how I "hunt N harvest"..
Mud

Thank you so much for this great information mudpuppy! When you mentioned the " not too high sensitivity ", what are you referring to in the G2/GBPro? Lowering the sensitivity to what numbers? 80ish?

Thank you,
Bubba

 

[mudpuppy]

Hey Bubba...I run from the mid 50's sens on down into the mid 30's...with a 4 disc, and DP tones...depending upon the amount of trash, height of grass, etc...Only setting I change is sens....I dont think I've ever run higher than the 70's...now this is on the F70 mind you, with the 11"dd coil...I've run this set up exclusively going into my 5th season this year...Its very comfortable, and deadly accurate in parks and such for surface targets to 5"...though I do get some sweet deeper finds along the way accidentally...it seems to be very surgical...letting a guy know what the target generally is, how deep, etc...I know this is a debatable subject..l'm a clad stabber and jewelry hunter for the most part and not dedicated to hunting deep silver. Running too "hot" per location makes the shallow signals too large to hit on the first stab is all I'm saying...speed sweeping is what I like to do...Sorry for jumping your guys forum, but it seems running light has some merit in certain circumstances, and I figured maybe Fisher rigs were about the same circuitry....
Mud

 

[bubbadirect]

Hey Bubba...I run from the mid 50's sens on down into the mid 30's...with a 4 disc, and DP tones...depending upon the amount of trash, height of grass, etc...Only setting I change is sens....I dont think I've ever run higher than the 70's...now this is on the F70 mind you, with the 11"dd coil...I've run this set up exclusively going into my 5th season this year...Its very comfortable, and deadly accurate in parks and such for surface targets to 5"...though I do get some sweet deeper finds along the way accidentally...it seems to be very surgical...letting a guy know what the target generally is, how deep, etc...I know this is a debatable subject..l'm a clad stabber and jewelry hunter for the most part and not dedicated to hunting deep silver. Running too "hot" per location makes the shallow signals too large to hit on the first stab is all I'm saying...speed sweeping is what I like to do...Sorry for jumping your guys forum, but it seems running light has some merit in certain circumstances, and I figured maybe Fisher rigs were about the same circuitry....
Mud

Mudpuppy, I'm going to try this the next time in go out coin hunting. I'm going to set the sensitivity lower myself. I think I might be running my GBPro too hot, as 1)the shallow targets are hitting too hot and loud (you are right), and 2) I shouldn't be using the 13 inch ultimate coil since it had been so hard to pinpoint (could be because my sensitivity is set too high. I should probably use the smaller 10 inch football shaped coil that came with the machine instead.

 

[Tom Slick]

Xing isn't necessary with a concentric coil but very helpful using a DD when the target has any depth to it, say 3 to 4 inches or more. Xing with the DD will put you right on the target most of the time. Xing with a round concentric is a waste of time as the signal from the coil is the same from any direction.