Two specific questions about the Vision

[OregonMike]

Hi,

One of my buddies asked me to pose these two very basic questions:

1--Ignoring the visual signals, does a zinc cent SOUND any different from a silver dime? In other words, can you tell the difference just by listening? I would think that the tone ID would sound different, but I haven't had the chance to hear the tones.

2--How does the Vision perform near power lines and other detectors?

I'm not sure why he wants to know these things, but I promised him I would ask.

Thank you,

Mike

 

[Jason in TN]

Hi,

One of my buddies asked me to pose these two very basic questions:

1--Ignoring the visual signals, does a zinc cent SOUND any different from a silver dime? In other words, can you tell the difference just by listening? I would think that the tone ID would sound different, but I haven't had the chance to hear the tones.

2--How does the Vision perform near power lines and other detectors?

I'm not sure why he wants to know these things, but I promised him I would ask.

Thank you,

Mike

Question #1 In basic coin mode no all tones are the same. You can change the tones in several different wasy to make targets sound any way you want them to.
So yes with a couple changes you can make them sound very different.

Question #2 I found that by also going to correlate mode and making a few changes there I could ignore a electric fence that I can not tune out on any other detector.


Jason

 

[OregonMike]

Jason,

You said, you can change the tones in several different ways to make targets sound any way you want them to. That's interesting to me. How do you do that? Sorry if this should be obvious, but I don't have the Vision yet and so I can't see it in front of me.

Thanks,

Mike

 

[Jason in TN]

Jason,

You said, you can change the tones in several different ways to make targets sound any way you want them to. That's interesting to me. How do you do that? Sorry if this should be obvious, but I don't have the Vision yet and so I can't see it in front of me.

Thanks,

Mike

I have not made those changes on mine yet still learning. From what I have read and understand you can assign any tone you want to any VDI # making them sound the way you want to. The Vision has more custom adjustments than any detector I have ever seen. Going to take a while to try them all out and decide what works best for me. It is really fun to play with wish I did not have to work so much right now I would be out playing with it every day.


Jason

 

[ak_1234]

In the audio menu, there are options for tone ID. The default for most programs is tone ID is off. To get tone ID, all you have to do is enable it. This will get you default tone ID's - each VDI has a distinct tone in increasing frequency. You can also select custom tones instead of the standard and this allows you to cheery pick which tones you want for each VDI.

For #2, there is an option that allows you to pick which frequency offset you want to hunt with. The default is 0 which means you have the 3 frequencies at 2.5kHz, 7.5kHz, and 22.5kHz. If you are hunting with a buddy, one of you should change your offsets. Each offset changes the frequency setting by about 1.5%. They shouldn't have a problem near power lines - power lines are at 60Hz and the frequencies we picked should not respond to 60Hz. I have not seen a problem near power lines. Electric fences do show up as a target as they turn on and off rather than being a continuous signal. So, they can have an effect. (I have seen it too).

 

[Monte]

One of my buddies asked me to pose these two very basic questions:

1--Ignoring the visual signals, does a zinc cent SOUND any different from a silver dime? In other words, can you tell the difference just by listening? I would think that the tone ID would sound different, but I haven't had the chance to hear the tones.

If you're using a program with a mono-tone, then All responding targets have a single beep. Such as when using the Coins or Coin & Jewelry programs.

The simple quick-fix is to go to Audio and into Discrimination and turn on Tone ID. Simple, and you have a multi-tone ID that is similar to the XLT & DFX providing a wide range of audio responses. The lower-conductive zinc cents will produce a lower-pitch audio than the somewhat higher-conductive better pennies and dimes.

You can also assign an audio pitch tone to any single or group of VDI numbers to create your own audio, if desired, such as having all clad and silver dimes and above produce one higher audio pitch, zinc cents and most Indian heads and screw caps and others in tat lower-conductive range could be assigned a somewhat lower pitch, and give a lower one to most pull tabs and then a lower one yet to nickels and close-conductive gold jewelry. I haven't tinkered with that yet on my Vision, but from what I understand it is 'do-able.'

2--How does the Vision perform near power lines and other detectors?

So far I haven't had too many problems, but I might not have hunted close to any models that were at a frequency to interfere. With the Vision you could opt to select just one of the three frequencies, if desired, or you can do a frequency shift to offset it a little. I was hunting by a power line yesterday, right under it as a matter of fact, that was causing me a bit of problem. Same place I had problems last week with an 6000 Pro XL and last fall with an M6. I dropped my Rx gain down from 15 to 7 and that took care of most of the issue I was having without having to tinker with any other adjustments.

Like most others who are new to the Vision, I am still learning and mastering mine, but I am enjoying every minute of it.

Monte

 

[steve herschbach]

Hi,

You have to go to the Expert Menu then:

Audio
.......|
.......Tone
.............|
.............Tone ID Mode
................................|
................................Custom
...........................................|
...........................................Edit

Or from the Live Audio level/Tone Button, Hit Zoom, then:

.......Tone
.............|
.............Tone ID Mode
................................|
................................Custom
...........................................|
...........................................Edit

There you can select each VDI from -95 to +95 and assign any of 256 tones by adjusting a slider. If you want to adjust a range, just hold enter and use the up or down button to set the same tone for any given VDI range. It is very easy to do and only takes a few minutes.

So for example I could make all iron a low tone, low gold range a low mid tone, high gold range a hi mid tone, and high coin a high tone. Walla, four tone detector. Or low tone for iron, low mid-tone for low gold, high tone for nickel, hi mid-tone for high gold, and high tone for high coin.
Or since I'm a gold guy, low tone iron, high tone for gold range, low mid tone to zinc penny, high mid tone for high coin. Or you want 8 tones? Or twelve?

This is a feature I've wanted for a long time. Reject nothing, but set my own custom tone set to hunt by ear the way I want, not some presets I can't change The tones can be whatever my ear likes. I actually feel like I am getting to design my own detector. The screen readouts are really awesome but at the end of the day I hunt by ear. Running the unit wide open with a custom tone set is a dream scenario for me. The machine is a jewelry hunters wish come true.

Steve Herschbach

 

[treasureisland]

Hi,

You have to go to the Expert Menu then:

Audio
.......|
.......Tone
.............|
.............Tone ID Mode
................................|
................................Custom
...........................................|
...........................................Edit

Or from the Live Audio level/Tone Button, Hit Zoom, then:

.......Tone
.............|
.............Tone ID Mode
................................|
................................Custom
...........................................|
...........................................Edit

There you can select each VDI from -95 to +95 and assign any of 256 tones by adjusting a slider. If you want to adjust a range, just hold enter and use the up or down button to set the same tone for any given VDI range. It is very easy to do and only takes a few minutes.

So for example I could make all iron a low tone, low gold range a low mid tone, high gold range a hi mid tone, and high coin a high tone. Walla, four tone detector. Or low tone for iron, low mid-tone for low gold, high tone for nickel, hi mid-tone for high gold, and high tone for high coin.
Or since I'm a gold guy, low tone iron, high tone for gold range, low mid tone to zinc penny, high mid tone for high coin. Or you want 8 tones? Or twelve?

This is a feature I've wanted for a long time. Reject nothing, but set my own custom tone set to hunt by ear the way I want, not some presets I can't change The tones can be whatever my ear likes. I actually feel like I am getting to design my own detector. The screen readouts are really awesome but at the end of the day I hunt by ear. Running the unit wide open with a custom tone set is a dream scenario for me. The machine is a jewelry hunters wish come true.

Steve Herschbach

Hi Steve

I could make all iron a low tone, that sounds good, is there a tone that's barely audible that you could assign to iron, in other words you wont hear it

 

[steve herschbach]

Hi,

Well, that depends on your hearing. The very low tones sound less loud to my ear although that may not be the case. You'd want to select a tone your ear just does not respond to well. You could reject the iron range VDI numbers but that tends to lead to masking issues, so running wide open and using custom tones would be the better route.

Steve Herschbach

 

[OregonMike]

Thanks to everyone who answered my first two basic questions. They made me want a Vision even more. I swear I am having to wipe the drool off of my keyboard!

Ok, now a third question. I hope it's as easy for some of you as the other two...

In my local soil, a clad quarter on a DFX reads 83 or pretty close. Will the Vision also read 83, and if it will, that could mean several things:

1--The DFX and the Vision have pretty much the same processor (sorry, processor might not be the right word)
2--The processors are different but White's tweaked the Vision's processor so it would read like the DFX
3--It's a coincidence
4--Both 1 and 2
5--None of the above

Anyone know which one it is?

Thanks again,

Mike

 

[Jason in TN]

I will take #2

 

[rcsnake]

The VDI numbers were normalized to what the DFX used. This was done intentionally so people would be somewhat familiar with VDI numbers. So we did tweak the VDI numbers but the processors and other circuitry used is new and so is the software,

Bob@Whites

 

[tab-nabit]

As the replies are suggesting, you can set tones a variety of ways.
I enabled the tone ID so the tone pitch increases as the VDI numbers increase - but lets say you are getting sick and tired of digging square tabs littered in an area and those tabs are hitting a VDI of 22. You can set that VDI number 22 to a very low tone like iron to get well below all the coin hits.
You can tone the pitch up or down on individual VDIs, a section or group of VDIs, or 2 or more sections or groups etc.

 

[Brett]

Ok, now a third question. I hope it's as easy for some of you as the other two...

In my local soil, a clad quarter on a DFX reads 83 or pretty close. Will the Vision also read 83, and if it will, that could mean several things:

2--The processors are different but White's tweaked the Vision's processor so it would read like the DFX

Bob confirmed it was #2, but I also wanted to confirm that with a buried quarter at 8", and the Vision running 2.5kHz only in Coins mode, the VDI does in fact read 83.

 

[CROCK of COINS]

Ok, now a third question. I hope it's as easy for some of you as the other two...

In my local soil, a clad quarter on a DFX reads 83 or pretty close. Will the Vision also read 83, and if it will, that could mean several things:

2--The processors are different but White's tweaked the Vision's processor so it would read like the DFX

Bob confirmed it was #2, but I also wanted to confirm that with a buried quarter at 8", and the Vision running 2.5kHz only in Coins mode, the VDI does in fact read 83.

Mike, I don't see it as a big deal..it it what it is ;-)

The Eagle II SL ALSO hit at 83.

But I like the way the DFX reads 88(half-$) when you have TWO quarters stuck together in a hole

Jerry

 

[OregonMike]

Hey, don't get me wrong...I'm GLAD the two have been correlated. I think it shows thoughtfulness on the part of White's to try to keep some things familiar while changing some other things to employ the latest technology. No way did I mean a criticism at all; I was just trying to figure out if anything was different, because that number was the same.

Thanks,

Mike