greedykind
Member
What would be the benefit if any in hunting in ttf versus ttc?I was reading bill's trashy park pattern thread and a conversation came up aout ttc.Any insight would be appreciated.Thanks charlie
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TTF OR TTC
- Thread starter greedykind
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Big Boys Hobbies
Well-known member
TTF is proven itself many many times...
utahshovelhead
Active member
Amazingly, Over the last 3 years there have been tons and tons of posts on the pros and cons of TTF and about every month the subject still comes up. I assume no one wants to go back in time. Nevertheless...TTF works very well especially in trash filled sites but there are pros and cons for sure but you will have to go back and search by the topic, lots of good info on the forum.
I will say one thing. It is better for most folks to stick to one or the other in use because of the Brain change you have to do. If you change back and forth between them you will loose that "expert" edge. In other words get really good at the way your machine works and the way your brain recognizes the responses it makes and that can be more powerfull than just the perfect target reading because not all targets are perfectly displayed on a machine. Now if you get used to the neuances ( not sure how to spell that) of your machine then go and change from the Conductive line to the Ferrous line, your brain has to re calculate and relearn.
Here is how I use TTF. I hunt the spot in my favorite program and make small adjustments as needed. When done, if the targets were good and lots of trash exists then after multiple searches as a a last ditch effort iwill go over with TTF and see if it can find more. It works on average for me with a few more goodies hidden in trash. But I don't hunt enough sites where I am willing to get a signal on every target good or bad and would rather use the conductive range with some discrimination. You really don't want discrimination with TTF as you want to hear ALL targets then discriminate by look and sound.
It can be overwhelming but good targets in close proximity to trash will display themselves.
Hope that helps. lots more to read in the past. good luck.
I will say one thing. It is better for most folks to stick to one or the other in use because of the Brain change you have to do. If you change back and forth between them you will loose that "expert" edge. In other words get really good at the way your machine works and the way your brain recognizes the responses it makes and that can be more powerfull than just the perfect target reading because not all targets are perfectly displayed on a machine. Now if you get used to the neuances ( not sure how to spell that) of your machine then go and change from the Conductive line to the Ferrous line, your brain has to re calculate and relearn.
Here is how I use TTF. I hunt the spot in my favorite program and make small adjustments as needed. When done, if the targets were good and lots of trash exists then after multiple searches as a a last ditch effort iwill go over with TTF and see if it can find more. It works on average for me with a few more goodies hidden in trash. But I don't hunt enough sites where I am willing to get a signal on every target good or bad and would rather use the conductive range with some discrimination. You really don't want discrimination with TTF as you want to hear ALL targets then discriminate by look and sound.
It can be overwhelming but good targets in close proximity to trash will display themselves.
Hope that helps. lots more to read in the past. good luck.
There is no such thing as an "or" when deciding which tone selection to use. It's a preference, and does not have an advantage one way or another. Pick the one you're comfortable with and stick with it. Some people I've noticed have mentally convinced themselves that one os better than the other. This is false. Whichever you choose you just have to listen to what the machine is saying when you're over the targets. That's the bottom line. The only advice you'll get on here about it is in OPINIONS only. They are just that, and nothing more. Remember that and you'll be fine with whatever selection you decide to go with. A good hunter relies on his knowledge of the machine he/she is using, and the decision to dig the iffy targets at times when they're unsure. Happy hunting. Let us know how you make out.
earthmansurfer
Active member
One thing to be careful of with TTF is on deeper coins in grounds where the Fe number will jump into the 20's. You can miss those quite easily if you are not going slow and not rescanning signals that you get to see if they go high tone on you.
So far I just prefer Conductive tones as I have cross checked so many signals and in MY GROUND (iron mineralized) conductive almost always is more clear than TTF. I feel comfy using TTF but sometimes conductive really does sound better. I'm sure if you use one enough you will become good with it though.
So far I just prefer Conductive tones as I have cross checked so many signals and in MY GROUND (iron mineralized) conductive almost always is more clear than TTF. I feel comfy using TTF but sometimes conductive really does sound better. I'm sure if you use one enough you will become good with it though.
Of course this is my opinion but I back it up with the results of hundreds of hours in the field.Both ferrous and conductive set ups have their place in the field and are site specific.If you are relic hunting at an old site with lots of iron/square nails and little modern trash an open TTF set up will be far superior to any conductive setting.
On the other hand if you are coin hunting at a site with lots of more modern trash/foil/can slaw then conductive tones will be far superior unless you plan to dig "everything" in which case I hope you are at a private site so as not to cause the closure of a public park or similar site because of excessive digging.
On the other hand if you are coin hunting at a site with lots of more modern trash/foil/can slaw then conductive tones will be far superior unless you plan to dig "everything" in which case I hope you are at a private site so as not to cause the closure of a public park or similar site because of excessive digging.
TheMarshall
New member
"Hi there Ron".
[size=large]Ron; the fundamental factor of any debate on TTF or TTC, is based on the PATTERN being used.[/size]
To help in analysing your welcome opinions on the subject, can you assist myself and maybe other interested readers to follow your logic by either literally defining one, or posting an E-Trac screen that best illustrates / underpins your opinions......Matt.
[size=large]Ron; the fundamental factor of any debate on TTF or TTC, is based on the PATTERN being used.[/size]
To help in analysing your welcome opinions on the subject, can you assist myself and maybe other interested readers to follow your logic by either literally defining one, or posting an E-Trac screen that best illustrates / underpins your opinions......Matt.
I've tried them all. My experience is that it's a personal preference. There is NO evidence to suggest one is better than the other, which again, boils down to opinions. Unless you have proof you could provide? I'd love to read something other than opinions on this debate. Thanks.
greedykind
Member
Maybe i am misunderstanding the question i have presented.I run ttf at times when i believe i have hunted out a site but what is ttc?????
utahshovelhead
Active member
by ttc I think he means two tone conductive.
Now I am assuming that he really does not mean 2 tones conductive as two tone in conductive would, in my oppinoin, limit the capabilities of the reason you want to hunt with the E trac...the sounds of the z y axis. TTF on the other hand, uses the two only tones to identify good targets next to bad targets or to identify iron and whatever next to iron.
You really would have to use the TTF to know if it will work for you as no other person on the fourm is going to be able to tell you that YOUR head is going to like it and operate well with it as opposed to the way you use the Conductive side. It really does come down to personal preference and site specific use.
Now I am assuming that he really does not mean 2 tones conductive as two tone in conductive would, in my oppinoin, limit the capabilities of the reason you want to hunt with the E trac...the sounds of the z y axis. TTF on the other hand, uses the two only tones to identify good targets next to bad targets or to identify iron and whatever next to iron.
You really would have to use the TTF to know if it will work for you as no other person on the fourm is going to be able to tell you that YOUR head is going to like it and operate well with it as opposed to the way you use the Conductive side. It really does come down to personal preference and site specific use.
earthmansurfer
Active member
ronfin said:
Perhaps in your soil Fe numbers don't drop, but in my soil, at depth, they often bounce to the 20's and even hit regularly in the upper teens. If you are running TTF you will often miss them, as you will get iron tones at depth. Outside of that, I do think there is just a lot of preference involved - though from comparing signals with each mode, I would say Conductive was often clearer than TTF, but not always.
EMS