Just got my ETrac and have been reading as much as I can. Bought Andy's book and put his coin program on it. I also put goes4ever's TTF program. Is it effective to use TTF exclusively? It just seems like a more simple program and I like that. But, would I be missing coins in low iron areas by not using the 4 tone program? I apologize if I should have read this somewhere already. I have read a ton and may have overlooked it. Appreciate the responses!!
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TTF all the time?
- Thread starter matterny4
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you should try all the different ways to use the etrac and then decide what you like best. personally i use multi conductive and when you get used to it, the tones are so informative, they give you so much information. i wouldnt exclude them. i dont know that youd "miss" anything just running in TTF but you need to explore the machine before you write anything off. one thing that you should do is plant a test garden, if you dont have one already.
utahshovelhead
Active member
I wouldn't recommend you use two tone all the time and I doubt Goesforever "who kind of got the whole TTF thing started" would recommend that either. If your in a spot with less iron trash then for sure use the tones to help you identify objects. You can always open up your screen with less discrimination to get all the "hits" but let the sounds give you some guidance. You paid a lot for the machine that has the ability to tell you lots of information, why not use it?
I suggest you first go over it in coins modes ( maybe modify it a bit) then try TTF. No worries, after a while it becomes simpler to adjust your machine to what works best for you.
However, there is something to say about getting used to one method and sticking to it, as changing things too much creates a "new brain" training effect so you'll want to learn what works best for your brain as well. That being said, just go out and have fun...not every spot is hiding stuff so deep you cant find it.
good luck,
shovelhead
I suggest you first go over it in coins modes ( maybe modify it a bit) then try TTF. No worries, after a while it becomes simpler to adjust your machine to what works best for you.
However, there is something to say about getting used to one method and sticking to it, as changing things too much creates a "new brain" training effect so you'll want to learn what works best for your brain as well. That being said, just go out and have fun...not every spot is hiding stuff so deep you cant find it.
good luck,
shovelhead
I found myself using TTF and a small coil exclusively. But that was after many hours learning the other modes and even more patience learning TTF.
However, looking back , I do think were I hunted played a large part in me evolving towards TTF. Certain parks I frequented were too trashy to use the pro coil effectively and nulling over tightly spaced iron bits got to be a bit much.
So I took the time to learn TTF and never looked back.
The hardest pa was training the ol' ears, but it was well worth it.
Using TTF and Finding that first merc under a pulltab in a spot you previously pounded will put a big smile on your face and validate all the learning time.
HH
However, looking back , I do think were I hunted played a large part in me evolving towards TTF. Certain parks I frequented were too trashy to use the pro coil effectively and nulling over tightly spaced iron bits got to be a bit much.
So I took the time to learn TTF and never looked back.
The hardest pa was training the ol' ears, but it was well worth it.
Using TTF and Finding that first merc under a pulltab in a spot you previously pounded will put a big smile on your face and validate all the learning time.
HH
I would recommend you to load TTF into your machine and use it when your in an area where iron targets out number conductive ones. If your in an area where there is MORE conductive targets than iron, then by all means you should be using conductive tones. Learning the tones really gives a lot of information, in fact after some time with using conductive tones you will notice you trust your ears more than the numbers on the screen, I try to tell people all the time the tone the etrac gives you is far more important than the numbers displayed. If you hunt only by using the numbers you are for sure gonna miss good targets that are deep, and targets that have a close junk target by it.....so use TTF when in high iron and all other times use conductive tones and really concentrate on listening to what the etrac is telling you!
Found a lot of deep silver using TTF that others including myself walked over previously.
But for me, i found TTF has its limitations for the deepest iffy targets as up to that point i've been primarily using tones.
TTF forced me to constantly have my eyes glued to the digital ID screen for digesting those deep iffy jumpy IDs rather than rely on 2 tones alone.
Don't get me wrong, I'm only talking the deepest of the deep targets here.
Using primarily TTF tones then a quick ID verify has been OK for 'clean' targets down to maybe 8 to 10" in areas i wouldn't expect to find anything deeper.
Last last season i started using 4TF and found even more deep silver i walked over when using TTF. IMO 4TF is much much better as there are more tone variations to go by....in other words, a more clearer tone indication of the target.
Next season i'm gonna exeriment with MTF and see what happens. Thats what all those options are for.
But for me, i found TTF has its limitations for the deepest iffy targets as up to that point i've been primarily using tones.
TTF forced me to constantly have my eyes glued to the digital ID screen for digesting those deep iffy jumpy IDs rather than rely on 2 tones alone.
Don't get me wrong, I'm only talking the deepest of the deep targets here.
Using primarily TTF tones then a quick ID verify has been OK for 'clean' targets down to maybe 8 to 10" in areas i wouldn't expect to find anything deeper.
Last last season i started using 4TF and found even more deep silver i walked over when using TTF. IMO 4TF is much much better as there are more tone variations to go by....in other words, a more clearer tone indication of the target.
Next season i'm gonna exeriment with MTF and see what happens. Thats what all those options are for.
You've already received some good information. But here are a couple links to posts I made about 3 years ago, regarding the use of Two Tone Ferrous. Part One and Part Two. Both can also be found on Minelab's website, in the Treasure Talk Blogs.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1410488,1410488#msg-1410488
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1446766,1446766#msg-1446766
HH Randy
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1410488,1410488#msg-1410488
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1446766,1446766#msg-1446766
HH Randy
I took it out today for the first time to an old park I'm sure has been picked over many times. Used Andy S coin program but only dug solid 12 38-46 targets. Got a couple bucks in clad. I may have missed some silver but the jumpy high tone targets were many and I didn't know what to dig. Woulda been 100 holes had I dug them all. I have found 2 IH pennies at this park so I was hopeful but no avail. Gonna take some time to learn the machine. When I do learn it well, I plan on taking it to everywhere I have been before and get those good missed coins.Goes4ever said:
The reason i want to try mult-tone-ferrous.Goes4ever said:
All those upper conductive tones and hopefully minimizing or eliminating 'some' of that deep silver spoofing iron by tone alone!!
Using open mask which i typically do and a little on the tone deaf side, a true silver ID of 12-47 and a corroded iron ID of 22-47 produce very similar tones when using MTC. The problem with discriminating out 22 Ferrous and down is the jumpy ID syndrome for deep targets. I've found deep silver hitting down there.
I personally like to see the whole picture when searching for deep targets without the detector masking out some target information. After a while, the old brain will do the masking.
Then there's the small severely rusty iron nail that more or less has corroded down to its carbon components which can also produce a solid ID somewhere in the 12-47 range. No getting around that except to dig it up. Been there, done that...dug up more deep silver spoofing iron than i care to remember using any kind tones.
How many more days left in this $@#*&^ Winter?
trachunter
New member
jimmyWB said:
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surfchunker
New member
I started with MTC but the places I hunt there is so much iron in the ground the only way to attack it is with a small coil and TTF, I use the stock ML Relic mode with it. hunted with two guys today and they walked away from the best spot with all the iron in the ground and I was like get out of my way ... dug several CW relics where they had gave up in just a couple of minutes saying it was just too much.