Trying to use a 6.592 kHz GoldFoot on my XLPro.....

[Digger]

I have a 2" X 9" HotFoot coil on my 14 kHz MXT and it is an excellent target separator. I've tried several 3 X 6 Shooter coils on my XLPro, and have been disappointed in their depth of detection. With that said, my favorite "target separation" coil for my XLPro is the 350 Snooper. However, I recently purchased a 2" X 9" GoldFoot coil at 6.592 kHz, for use on my XLPro, hoping it would perform as well as the HotFoot does on my MXT. In testing it in my moderately mineralized soil, I find that it registers copper cents, dimes and quarters between 10% - 15% higher (on the meter) than the "regular" coils. As such, it seems to "run out of meter" when trying to detect a half dollar or silver dollar. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe the XLPro isn't the best choice of 6.592 kHz detector for this coil? Maybe, since it is called a GoldFoot, it should be used as a prospecting coil? Could the higher conductive readings be an issue of the XLPRo's GB range not being matched to the coil? If so, would an XLT have additional adjustments that could "offset" the issue I am having on my XLPro? I don't know. All I know is that it doesn't seem to work well on large, high conductive targets, with my XLPro. Anyone had any experience with this coil? All responses appreciated. HH Randy

 

[Tinfoil]

Also Monty has a way to G/B it Pos. or neg. but I can never remember how he does it. Let me know how the other works. I use that method down here and get some great depth out of my 6000 XLPRO. I hunt in Sat and that TR mineralizaded mode on Page 28 of your manual. Oh and who makes the Gold Foot and who do you get them from. Thanks Later Bud Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Digger]

Thanks for the advice. I went to the shop and tried setting the XLPro in TR mode, and made a feeble attempt at a GB with some soil samples. I was unable to set up a "decent" GB. But was able to detect the larger silver coins in the TR mode. The analog meter still "pegs out". But at least the audio is consistent. It's a bit late here right now, and the neighbors already suspect I'm a bit nuts. So I'll give that GB a go tomorrow, when it is daylight. If I can't get it figured out, I could send it your way and you could take a shot at it. Just let me know if you want to give it a try.

By the way, I've attached a pic of the GoldFoot and HotFoot, side by side. It appears Applied Creativity, Inc., out of Philomath, Oregon made the coils. And if I recall, this is the Company that use to make all the BigFoot, HotFoot, HotShot etc coils for Jimmy Sierra. From what I understand, the gentleman who made these coils passed away a couple years ago. And as far as I know, no one has taken over the manufacturing process. HH Randy


P.S.
Here is a post I found on the 'ask Jimmy Sierra" portion of his website:

I have a Goldfoot Magnum Force search head 2-1/4"x
9". I can not seem to find any info. on it or which detector(s) it was made for.HELP-PLEASE!

From what I can recall, the Goldfoot you have works on the 6.5 khz detectors, of which your Di Pro is one . and therefore should work. If your cable is the thin type on the detector as well as on the loop, then I am sure it is a match. One way to find out is to plug it in and see if it works. It cant hurt the detector. I believe the Goldfoot was differential. In other words, the front half is positive and back half negative. This means that the full loop is sensitive when you are in the discriminate mode. When you squeeze trigger to pinpoint the front half stays positive and hears the target and the back half goes negative and rejects the target. The target is dead center from to back and side to side. You can check this by waving a target across the coil side to side from the front to the back. If you hear the signal on the whole loop, but when you squeeze the trigger to pinpoint you can only hear the target on the front half of the loop, then it is differential. If this is the case, you must ground balance with the tip of the coil on the ground with the coil at a 45% angle to the ground. ( the rear half of the coil is in the air)
If the coil is NOT differential, then the whole coil is sensitive from tip to tip both in disc or with pinpointing with trigger squeezed. In this case ground balance with the whole coil flat on the ground like your standard round coil. Hope this helps. Jimmy

 

[Tinfoil]

You know you are welcome to use and try out anything I have in the way of coils or detectors. I think we got them all or have had them all. I just got a 10X12 SEF coil for my SE which is doing a whole lot better then the 10" slimline. It has been raining down here last 4 days. ain't that the way it always is when you get a new toy.
I just can't bring myself to buy the new E-Track. Who knows maybe I will get one. It Just don't have the depth I want for $1500. For some reason the Explorers have never gotten great depth down here. 8"s, 9"s is about all you can get out of one with good digable ID's without having to go to the very big coils. Everything else is real Iffy and you know how much I hunt the Iron and trash. My GT with the 10" slim line coil on will kick every Explorers butt I have owned. I don't understand why it is just a fact. Now the 10X14 Excellerator coil is the deepest on the SE of any of them. It will do 10,11"s. At the beach whole different story. I don't have the XLT or DFX anymore. One or both of them had a setting for the big foot coil. Don't remember what it did though. Adjusting the VDI sensitivity on XLT might help or doing a off set.
You can't adjust the Sat. speed on the PRO maybe it would help out on the XLT.
You might try backing down the signal balance down some on the Pro. Hell I am just throwing them out there for you. I will have to say it is a very interesting though.
I think my ground and your ground are different. Mine is moderate but has a salt and Sulpher silinty to it. Copper coins are just crap down here. Give me a call, you got my number and we will hash it out. Later Bud good luck with it. When you get tired of messing with it I will try it on my PRO with the new tone ID I have on it. That tone ID and the SAT. and adjusting to the mineralization in the TR Mode really opens up the targets in the trash and Iron with the 5"' and 3.5" snooper coil on. I can just walk right thru the trash and iron. I am really happy with the Mod Allen did on it for me. Later my Friend, give me a call. Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[crazyman]

Jerry, I might have misunderstood or read it wrong in your post but does your tone ID work in the GEB Sat mode? If so where can I get the mod. done because I gotta have it on mine. Thanks!

 

[Tinfoil]

Allen left my tones (4) where the high tone is copper and above for the high tone. It can be adjusted anywhere within the spectrum of target ID but I like it there because the zinc's and coppers down here due to the sulpher and the salt salinty in the soil make the coppers/Indians worthless. Zinc,s are in with (3rd) tone, the large pull tabs and indians. There were only 10 kits in the world done by a guy in Poland. Allen got 2 of them. The 2nd tone is targets 0 to round pulltab including foil which works out great for the high dollar jewlery. The other 8 kits were done over in Europe. Some I think were done in Italy where Allen got the two kits thru a guy that knew the guy in Poland. Allen did his and mine. There were only two done in the US.

Like you, I hunt in SAT. Mode. The Setting where you hunt using the G/B to the mineralization of the dirt in the TR setting is the other one I use. The regular TR setting using the Dis. is not very deep here about 5"s as the dirt here is about a Moderate mineralization. SAT. is the deepest of them all. You have to pull the trigger every once in a while to reset the threshold on both settings and both work perfect. You can really wade thru the iron and trash just using the tones. Those two mode worked great for me before but now with the tones it is even better.

Now from what I understand the guy in Poland is working on a Mod. that uses tones like the ones used in the Minelab Explorer's which will be great if he ever gets it done. I would probly buy another 6000XLPRO and get that one done. I love my Modded 6000XLPRO. In the super iron and trash I just put that 3.5" snooper coil on. For the lessor trash and Iron I use the 5.3". Rest of the time I use the 8". My 9.5" has never been on my machine as I don't hunt places where I can use it. Sorry Bud, you are out of luck. Of the 16 machines I have the 6000XLPRO is one of my very favorite machines. Sorry I could not have some good news for you. Even without the tones you still got one of the very best machines that were ever built but, you know that already. The tones just make it a lot better when working the trash and iron. HH Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[crazyman]

That's to bad. I've been using the 6000's for a lot of years and that would have been a feature I would have used quite a bit. I would like something like that on my modded IDX Pros as well. Bill, are you listening? I've been using the IDX Pro with the small coil at some of my old iron infested sites using the blacksand option and hunting with zero disc. while inching along watching the meter. It's pretty much dead on in the iron ID so I'm looking for those bounces. It would be nice not to have to watch the meter but the iron tone would have to be as accurate at the meter in this case. Thanks for the info Jerry.

 

[Tinfoil]

Because it is so fast and being a 2 filter it is even faster. I will tell you my 6000 XLPRO iron tone is dead on everytime and I don't get a sore neck from looking at the meter. Sorry I had to kick you while you were down . Now a IDX PRO with tones would be something else. Let me know how you like messing around with the TR G/B to the mineralization of your dirt. You might like it. Later Bud, HH Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Monte]

[size=medium]I have had the opportunity in the past 5 years to use/check out a number of the aftermarket coils on modified Classic III's, IDX Pro's, XLT's and our favorite, the XL Pro. Without a lot of discussion, let me just say I saw similar poor performance from them. The 12" Hot Shot I had couldn't really match the depth on the 5.3 Eclipse, and the smaller coils also had 'issues.' Many like you stated, such as unimpressive depth and sensitivity, as well as wacky TID/VDI responses with pegging needles.

And, as I am sure you've read, I have reported very sad performance from the 4X6 Blue max Shooter coil. the same size coil for the MXT & M6 does well, but not that DD size coil on the XL Pro or Classic series.

Monte[/size]

 

[Digger]

I have tried every combination of settings and adjustments I can think of, and it still won't perform well. Using the TR mode, I am able to detect all US coins. But the TID on coins half-dollar and larger is pegged out. On other coins, it is 18 - 20 units high. In any other mode, it just won't detect those larger (than quarter) coins. Looks like I need to find someone with a 6.59 kHz gold detector and make them a heck of a deal.

My opinion of the 4 X 6 is no better than yours. And like you, I've tried quite a few of them. Guess I just kept hoping that I'd find one that worked decently. So far, I haven't! I took your advice a couple years ago, and found myself a ProScan 800. Now that is one heck of a coil! Although I typically use the 5.3 BlackMax, or the 350 Snooper in trashy areas, I do like the performance of the ProScan in open field hunting. Again, I'd tried several Royals and BlueMax 8" coils. But that ProScan seems to match my XLPro and IDX Pro very well. Nice combinations.

I wonder what the future holds for the 6.59 series of detectors and accessory coils? With the XLT being the only remaining 6.59 detector currently in production, I'm keeping at least one backup of every coil size I use. Especially since learning that the 350 Snooper is no longer being produced. I was fortunate to find another "new in the package" 350 Snooper last week. HH Randy

 

[d1g1man]

Sorry to bump in off topic guys, "ProScan 800" is the same as the purple colored Royal 800 Correct?

 

[jmaryt]

your choice of the 8" coil and the 5.3 is,in my opinion,the "best combination for the xl-pro,and truly IS all you really need!

(h,h!)
j.t.

 

[Digger]

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