Trigger Forward - 2nd search mode

[earthmansurfer]

I know I've seen this mentioned before but after reading yesterday how quite a few experienced hunters don't use the analyze modes much I decided to reconfigure the trigger forward for a try today. I unchecked the "match search" box under analyze and I moved my recovery delay to 70 (was at 42 in search). I move the filter to 5 (was 7.5 in search). I have to say I really liked this.

I was using the 6X10 coil and when I got a signal I would investigate it further by just moving the trigger forward. I also just used it as a 2nd search mode to search the areas with less iron. When I heard the iron back I just moved the trigger.

If I wanted to analyze a target I just switched to another program that had analyze, but I made a concerted effort to focus on sounds more and analyze less. I think that will help me to understand the sounds better, which to me is perhaps the most important part of analyzing a target. And we always have pinpoint available showing the strongest frequency.

This "test" also allowed me to see if I'd lose targets due to a faster recovery delay. There were slim pickings today so nothing to report back (but I didn't lose any targets, signals actually became clearer most of the time, which got me thinking...)

Hope this was useful to some of you!
EMS

 

[earthmansurfer]

Oops, I should have added that you need to select spectragraph under Configure - Live Search Screen - Analysis (Prior I had polar plot selected).

Also, to be more clear, where I stated `de-select "match search" ` above, that is located under Filter & Speed - Analysis (not under analyze).

 

[Neil in West Jersey]

I will have to search for it.

 

[wvrick]

Interesting, I like new idea's

 

[earthmansurfer]

Here is Neil's post but there isn't any more information about using this method: Triggering to 2nd mode I'm familiar with the post as I had read it before. I read a post from a German guy who uses this in his settings also as perhaps the soil here can sometimes be difficult with the clay that sometimes is encountered and investigating those iffy targets is nice.

I'd really like to see how other people are using this machine as there is so much to be discovered. For example, as Rob mentioned, not many people are using consistency (they use intensity). Consistency is great in irony or trashy ground for starters. But I'm sure other uses can be made with it. It has really aided my searches.

 

[wvrick]

I wanted to try this but from the other post seen both:
expert menu>>configure>>, Analyze, select your analyze preference (Spectragraph, Sizing, or Polar Plot) and then uncheck the Match Search box.
And
Expert menu>Filter & Speed>Analysis. Then uncheck Match Search
I'm new to the V3i but really like this idea, I did configure the "trigger forward" to the 2nd Spectragraph but not sure if its using the same filter as the "trigger center". Where do I check this or change for 2 different filters: ie: 5Hz and 10Hz trigger selected?

 

[ak_1234]

The "match search" option is under the filter menu not the configuration menu.

 

[kyledfx]

quick trigger forward question, is there a way to have all metal audio search with trigger forward and discrim audio search with trigger centered?

 

[wvrick]

The "match search" option is under the filter menu not the configuration menu.

Yes I changed the "match search" when I set it up, but is that the "option" to change the "trigger forward" filter speed from default fractory setting to hunt a different filter in that position? Thanks - Rick

 

[Rob (IL)]

[size=large]NO, you can't [/size]. ROB

 

[Rob (IL)]

OK, the two trigger setup can make some interesting combinations. The two trigger positions can both be set for the spectrograph. That means you can have two search screens. For instance, one screen could be set to intensity and one could be set to consistency and each could have a different filter.

Just remember, G/B. For only display differences, G/B does not need to be done between the two trigger positions. If the filters are different on the two screens G/B is also not required.

The only settings that really require a new G/B if switching between screens are gain, frequency and TX boost changes. If these are the same for both screens you can just flip back and forth. ROB

 

[ak_1234]

The "match search" option is under the filter menu not the configuration menu.

Yes I changed the "match search" when I set it up, but is that the "option" to change the "trigger forward" filter speed from default fractory setting to hunt a different filter in that position? Thanks - Rick

I think if I read your question correctly the answer is yes .

If match search is selected, then trigger forward and trigger normal will have the same filter settings. If match search is unselected, the Analysis option will be expanded to allow you to change your filter, recovery delay, and SAT.

So, the settings in the Filter&Speed>Search menu will be for your trigger in the normal position. It doesn't matter which display you have showing on the trigger normal position, the settings for filter/speed will be dictated by the search options in the filter&speed menu. The settings in the Filter&Speed>Analysis menu will be for your trigger in the forward position. It doesn't matter which screen is showing for this either (other than pinpoint - once you have the trigger forward set to one of the pinpoint options, then these settings don't mean anything).

Hopefully that helped?

 

[earthmansurfer]

Rob - I didn't think of using consistency and intensity in that way. I have been playing with two spectragraphs as you described it but will have to add a mix of intensity and consistency. That really makes testing and comparing signals easier. Thx for that GB tip, I wasn't aware of exactly when I had to GB.

What is very nice about the two trigger positions and say running two spectragraphs, is that it is truly another search mode. So, when you have the trigger forward, you can now use the live menu to adjust the "unmatched" settings as they are now "live". This really saves time. Wouldn't it be nice to have two trigger forward positions
By using the "live menu" settings or going into the expert menu (from the trigger forward position) would change the modifications for both the trigger neutral and trigger forward programs?

 

[wvrick]

Ok, I think I got it now..... I was thinking that if I were hunting and the area was fairly clean I could use one search, then if I hit a pocket of trashy area I could just switch to toggle forward. Thanks for the help!

 

[earthmansurfer]

Ok, I think I got it now..... I was thinking that if I were hunting and the area was fairly clean I could use one search, then if I hit a pocket of trashy area I could just switch to toggle forward. Thanks for the help!

I basically do the reverse. I generally hunt in iron and run a very slow recovery delay (20-42 depending on the coil) and filter at 5 or 7.5 . When I hit a target or a clear area, I put the trigger forward which has the recovery delay at roughly double and the filter at 5 most of the time. I may also just switch to another program from the live menu if I want to analyze a target.

 

[wvrick]

I just tried it and it works great, 2 - V3i's on one staff...lol After I open the menu more I could see the filter options.