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Tried Coop's 4 kHz bottlecap program...

CZconnoisseur

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Found this on YouTube a few days ago, and have hunted the fairgrounds twice using these settings.

Thank you, sscindercoop for the informative youtube post! I set up my Deus in the same order as was on the video seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzjVyki6qus

I set up this program in place of my old "goto" 4 kHz setting and then overwrote it once I tried it out for a few minutes.
Only thing I changed from the video was reactivity is "2" instead of "3" - which gets good depth on small targets - was really surprised to find a brass "Appel" jean rivet at 6" - this rivet is only about 1/3" across but hit confidently among the trash. Don't have pictures of anything since I'm in the middle of moving across town but will try to get some posted later on.

First thing I noticed about the settings was how quiet the machine was running. I usually carry one coin with me, usually a dime, to sometimes check the detector's max air depth on the target (old habit I guess). I wasn't getting the usual chatter and goofy chirps while detecting and initially thought I turned it off somehow. Then I came across a target and it really sang out...

Coins sound clearer and background chatter is almost completely eliminated with these settings - this is why in the beginning I almost gave up on the fairgrounds. I haven't air tested my usual lot of coins to compare with other programs, but it seems sscindercoop's settings are vastly superior in terms of iffy targets vs clear targets vs deep targets. This is most likely my new "goto" program considering how well Deus performs in the trash.

4 kHz is known for "signal smearing"; but with these settings signals are much more precise and seem to recover a tad quicker amongst multiple targets. This may be all in my head, but I challenge you to give the program a try in your most difficult environments! You be the judge!

Tried it out last night for 2 hours - I dug almost exclusively nothing but aluminum screw caps, but they sounded really clear and sharp. Also dug 4 copper memorials and one zincoln, and these targets sounded even crisper than the screw caps. All targets were 1" to 7" deep, and the deeper targets definitely sounded off with more gusto than before.

But the real question remained: How did this program handle bottlecaps??? Well, the last two hunts I didn't dig a single one, but I know I passed over a few of them. Bottlecaps sound more "chopped" with these settings, while a coin signal is unmistakable. The caps still indicate around "90-91" but the audio is nothing you'd want to dig.
I passed a Morgan dollar under the coil - and it starts to "chop out" since notch is "93-99", but still has a good audio quality to the signal. Silver half dollars...no question on a "dig" or "pass"...that signal is clear and sweet!

What made the biggest difference for me was deep targets: Anything that was large and deep was much easier to identify using the audio than before. Small targets seemed to "pop" a little better, not sure why...but fringe targets - coin-sized targets deeper than 7" - were what sold it for me. It was easier for me to decide to "dig" or "pass" on those fringe targets, which I know will help in more "normal" detecting areas (areas that haven't seen a bulldozer LOL).

Will have to revisit the fairgrounds in the worst trash areas and see how this program works. Have been trying some different areas of the fairgrounds and have been finding a few Civil War era relics, but this program may be what I need to sift through the edges of the property that have the worst trash contamination - am hoping to find new hotspots at that site!

Thanks again Coop!
 
Great post CZ, I will give it a try as I have a couple bottle cap infested areas that give me grief in wasted time verifying them.
High five to Coop.
 
This is great info and I'm going to try it out tomorrow if the rain holds off.

I noticed in the video when coop went from reactivity 2 to 3 he didn't change silencer which I believe would have defaulted to -1. How did you run it with reactivity set to 2?

Did you come across any situations where the Deus ID'd a good target collocated with trash?

I know you're a fan of full tones, so did you end up using full tones?

Good luck on the move, and thanks for the great post!
 
ok did I miss his settings? other than notching out, man I could not tell WTF he was doing...lol am I tired?

What settings did you settle on CZ?

Great info!

Jim
 
Sleepyjim said:
ok did I miss his settings? other than notching out, man I could not tell WTF he was doing...lol am I tired?

What settings did you settle on CZ?

Great info!

Jim

He started with GM Power and changed the freq to 4K, Disc to 20, Reactivity 3 and notched 93-99. The bottlecaps disappeared :)
 
When CZ and I were originally talking about 4k a few months ago, I suggest he try a Reactivity of 2 and a Silencer of 0. Those setting get the best depth and give the clearest signal on deeper targets. Give it a try.
 
DukeOBass said:
When CZ and I were originally talking about 4k a few months ago, I suggest he try a Reactivity of 2 and a Silencer of 0. Those setting get the best depth and give the clearest signal on deeper targets. Give it a try.

That's right - If you run reactivity at 3 there will be a noticeable reduction in depth vs reactivity at 2 - regardless of what the other settings may be. Going from r2 to r1 will get you even more depth, but your search area needs to be pasture or a dry sand beach in order to reliably hit those 11" plus targets. Having silencer at "0" will help "hook" targets that come close to the edge of the coil rather than "snuffing out" the signal while using higher silencer settings. The way I look at it is...You never know if that next target is a dropped Civil War bullet, a screwcap, a zincoln, or an Indian head cent. All of these targets can hit around "58" in 4 kHz, and I've since "unnotched" my programs due to all the cool items I've come across that fall into the 40's, 50's, and 60's while running 4 khz.

Still no GOLD for 2014....:sadwalk:

Every now and then I will get a nice, faint high tone that ends up being a toasty old Wheat , sometimes also a screwcap that's living in the 8-9" depth range which is on the edge of VDI reliability. But if I'm in reactivity of 3, a 8-9" deep coin-sized target usually won't be detectable (unless it's a quarter). Reactivity of 2 is a great compromise when you need maximum depth within a trashy area. Even still, I dig tons of crap, but it's OK because it's ME-TIME!!! :bouncy:
 
I had watched Coops video before and was using similar settings in 4kh to hunt and check bottlecaps. I had kept Silencer at 0 though for fear of losing depth but based on CZ's post I decided to give the full settings a try. I increased the Silencer to 2 and Reactivity to 3 in a trashy site loaded with iron too. I had been over this area with several detectors and the Deus in 4, 12 and 18 kh, however in 4 kh with Silencer 2, Reactivity 3 I picked out several coins I had walked over before. Just clad, but these must have been masked or combined before. The Silencer does seem to clean up the TID number and audio in 4kh and it was so quite I was able to increase sensitivity to 94. Great program for trashy sites.
 
I used reactivity 2, silencer 1 with Coop's settings in 4KHz. While the newer surface crown caps were fairly quiet, the deep rusted ones sounded good until I dug them out of the ground.
I knew they were crown caps by the VDI and the crackle I always hear after sweeping one, but I dug anyhow to verify.

I will make a video of the crackle I hear after sweeping a crown cap (never have my camera with me). I didn't hear it in Coop's Deus when he was sweeping the crowns and nobody ever talks about it when discussing crown cap ID.
Because of that, I'm afraid I will lose the audio "tell" if I do a software reload or upgrade. On shallow coins in iron I occasionally get the "tell", but I know it's a coin by the VDI and target footprint.
 
Actually, now I'm confused about what CZ ended up using and is recommending. If it was more quiet, I'm assuming silencer > 0, but from the subsequent posts I took away that CZ used reactivity = 2, and silencer = 0. Based on the video and discussion, my natural inclination would have been to try what lsm did, with reactivity =2 and silencer = 1. I haven't tried the program yet (got family in from out of town, not sure when I'm getting out), but curious to know what CZ actually used.
Thanks,
Rich
 
I hunt a couple of parks with loads of rusty bottlecaps (crown caps) at 4+ inches (easily down to 9 inches). I haven't tried the bottlecap program in this environment yet, but hoping for some relief at these sites. After watching Coop's video I'm concerned that since his caps were freshly buried and shallow, that deeper, rusty caps with a halo will fool the Deus a bit more...I hope not, but that's my concern.

If I understand CZ's and others' post on this subject, I think CZ ended up using R2/S0...but I'm not sure until he chimes in.
 
Rich,
Sorry I didn't mention it before...I had silencer at 0 during the two hunts. Silencer above 0 takes some of the "roundness" away from the audio when it's a coin target. That little difference in the audio makes it easier to distinguish a round coin from an irregular chunk of a target, like bits of can slaw vs a nickel. Many times the software will resolve a piece of slaw with a stable VDI but it won't sound too great....sometimes raising the coil over a target like this causes the audio to crackle, but a nickel won't do this. Maybe I should try silencer at -1 on the next hunt given the great results so far with the program!
 
CZ, thanks for that info on 0 vs 1 on the silencer. I didn't know the effect on good targets was so drastic, only thought it affected depth.
I do notice that I get more falsing in iron with a lower silence setting and have to re-sweep to verify.
If I sweep slower, the Deus resolves the falsing better but I just don't have it in me to go at Minelab speed.....grin

Really good/informative posts in the forum lately!
 
Just changing those couple settings in GM really do help when coop told me to try this To see what I thought I did, and it helped a bit, If any of my customers or potential customers ever need help with settings do not hesitate to call me guys. I don't mind helping you set your machine up one bit.. Honestly I don't care if you bought your machine from me or not. Hell give me a call and I'll give you a hand!! 502-262-0356
 
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