trading my X70

[handsome3096]

I AM THINKING ABOU TRYING TO TRADE MY X-70 WHICH IS LIKE NEW FOR A NEW GARRETT G T I 1500 THE NEW MODEL G T I 1500 NOT THE OLDER MODEL G T I 1500 ANY ADVICE AND ANY REASON I SHOULDNT ASKING FOR ANY GOOD ADVICE WHY I SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT

 

[Android]

If you use an x70 now, you will not be used to te weight of the gti. It's a heavy machine. Twice the battery consumption but a capable machine. Not sure if you ever played around with the prospecting mode while coin/relic hunting but it is a powerful tool. It offers you some function that I have come to rely on. I owned a gti2500 and I found it to be gimmicky.....oh and did I say heavy.

 

[nero_design]

The X-Terra 70 is a better detector in my opinion. You can detect metal with any detector but I think you're probably trading down in terms of weight, stability and features. Your disadvantages with the GTI 1500 are as follows:

Garrett's GTI 1500
8x AA batteries............ (X-Terra 70 takes 4 & gives about 40 hours per set)
4.1 lbs .......................... (X-Terra 70 weighs 2.9 lbs)
Fixed Arm Rest............(X-Terra 70 is adjustable)
1 Frequency.................(X-Terra 70 has three depending on coil)
7.5khz............................(X-Terra 70 uses 3khz, 7.5khz & 18.75khz)
No Manual GB..............(X-Terra 70 has Automatic and Manual GB)
24 TID Segments...........(X-Terra 70 has 2
2 Audio Tones..............(X-Terra 70 has 4 plus multi tones)

The advantages of the X-Terra 70 include Iron Mask Discrimination, V-Flex digital signal stabilization technology, Noise Cancel and All Metal Mode.
Prospecting Mode is also unique in this range of detector and can be used for coins for more sensitivity.

Just curious: You didn't say why you wanted to trade one detector for another.

 

[Digger]

I have owned quite a few Garrett detectors over the years. From BFO's to the GTI's, like the 1500 you mentioned. In fact, I was a Garrett dealer back in the 70's. One of my favorite "early" metered detectors was the Garrett VLF/TR Groundhog. I dug lots and LOTs of coins with that one. So in that regard, I won't say anything bad about Garretts and I won't try to talk you out of trading. But you asked for reasons, so I'll offer my reasons why I would recommend keeping the X-Terra.
The Garrett 1500 has been around since 1998. Some would call that "proven". Others might consider it "old technology". The X-Terra has been around for about 3 years. VFLEX technology is "state of the art" in that no other VLF detector incorporates digital interface between the coil and the controls. That results in less RFI, EMF and is JPQ. Ergonomics...... the weight of the 1500 is more than 30% heavier than the X-Terra. This will become apparent after a couple hours of swinging the coil. Speaking of coils........ the 1500 offers 5 coil choices, all at 7.2 kHz. And only two of those coils are Imagine coils. In other words, the other three coils will not provide the imaging information such as target size or depth. This became an issue with me when I wanted to use the small coil in trashy areas. It doesn't image. (as a side note, the GTP 1350 does provide target profiling on ALL four coils it offers. even the small 4.5-inch). I guess my point is, the "sizzle" for the 1500 is their TreasureVision feature. And it doesn't work with 3 of the five available coils. The X-70 offers 8 coil choices in 3 different frequencies. The 6-inch DD at 18.75kHz, 6-inch concentric at 7.5 kHz, 6X10 Elliptical DD at 18.75kHz, 9-inch concentric at 3kHz, 9-inch concentric at 7.5kHz, 9-inch concentric at 18.75kHz, 10-inch DD at 7.5 kHz and the 10-inch DD at 18.75kHz. And they all provide target ID, depth and sizing capabilities. The Garrett 1500 8-AA cell battery pack is capable of mounting on your belt. The 4-AA cell X-Terra is so light weight, it don't need to. The Garrett 1500 has a backlight feature, adjustible audio pitch and a belltone for coins etc. The multiple tones of the X-Terra 70, combined with the sizing capability of the Prospecting mode, do not require that I have a backlight. (I'll carry a penlight if I want to hunt at night) As well, the X-70 multiple tone mode provides 28 tones for the various notch segments. Not just a bell tone on "keepers" and another tone for "non-keepers". I will add, the X-70 does not have to be operated in multiple tone mode. Each user can chose between single tone, dual tone, triple tone, quad tone or the multiple tone mode, as they desire. Both models have notch discrimination, with zero discrimination as a baseline. But the X-Terra 70 offers true "all metal" with iron mask capability, in Prospecting mode. The 1500 incorporates ScanTrac. The X-70 offers autoGB, manual GB, Tracking and Beach Mode. Choosing whether I want to manually adjust my GB is important to me, in some of the places I hunt.

Off the top of my head, those are reasons I like the X-70, compared to the 1500. Honestly, considering the 1350 offers profiling with all coils, I'd opt for it before I'd have another 1500. But even at that, I enjoy the functionality of the X-70 more than any other detector currently available. JMHO HH Randy

 

[Mick in Dubbo]

Most of the points have been covered about these 2 machines. I own the 1500 and like using it. The imaging feature is it's real attraction, but it has a slow recovery speed as well.The X-Terra kills it in trashy ground. Also, because the GTI's have 2 receive coils, they're a bit more susceptible to mineralisation.
It's not about owning a better detector, but rather, just a different one. It takes a while to get the hang of the GTI's. The X-Terra's are easier to master.
It really comes down to how you like a detector to talk to you.AKA, fun factor.
Mick Evans.

 

[cosmic]

Keep the XTerra70.. Much better machine all around.. The only thing better on the garrett is the imaging feature...

 

[Shenandoah Digger]

I could see getting the 1500 is you want to try another machine. We all like playing with a number of machines. But like Randy alluded to, the 1350 is more bang for the buck than the 1500. And neither has the performance of the Xterra. The Garretts don't have the depth, speed, or versatility. But you're obviously less than thrilled with the 70, so I'd say give it a shot. I've made plenty of detector mistakes before, like getting rid of a 1266, a Vaquero, and the like. But I'm not sorry I did. I just got to try something else and see for myself. Can't own 'em all at one time.

 

[David]

I had a Garrett GTI 2500 and honestly hated it. Poor depth as well. Stay with the 70. I now own a X-Terra 70 and like it very much. My only complaint with the 70 is I wish it had more VDI numbers like -99 to 00 to +99 in coin mode. Also I want a large size elliptical 8" or 10" or 12" X 18" or 24" DD coil for my 70.

 

[Steve(MS)]

I agree SD, I have bought and sold detectors just to have something different only to find out that what I originally had was better. Tried some that others said were great only to find out they weren't for me.
Now I am more cagey about buying detectors and try to read as much as I can before making a purchase.
But if someone wants to sell a detector to get another one then go for it, I would be more inclined to keep the 70 and buy the 1500 and then decide which I wanted to keep.
From what I have heard about the 1500 is the disc mode the GB is preset and can't be changed, that in itself will keep me from getting one.
Any single frequency detector I get in the future must have manual GB that affects the disc mode but that is just me.

 

[Shenandoah Digger]

I agree with you Steve. I've considered getting a Lobo Super Trac for years, but no adjustable GB in disc mode kills it for me. If it doesn't have that, it's worthless as far as I'm concerned.

 

[David]

I agree with both of you for sure, "Any single frequency detector I get in the future must have manual GB that affects the disc mode".

"...a Lobo Super Trac for years, but no adjustable GB in disc mode kills it for me. If it doesn't have that, it's worthless as far as I'm concerned."

The X-70 has both Tracking and manual adjustable GB in the disc mode. The Lobo ST has neither and was a deal breaker for me as I thought of buying one too. So I bought the X-70 instead and now I bought a Musky with manual GB in the disc mode.

Does anyone know the answers to these please:
1) Does the Vaquero have manual GB in the disc mode?? (Or no GB of any type in the disc mode like the Lobo ST.)

2) Does the MXT have Auto Tracking GB in the disc mode(both Coin & Jewelry and Relic Modes) with S.A.T.?? (Or only in the all metal Prospecting Mode.)

3) Does the Sovereign GT's Auto Trac GB work in the disc mode?? (Or only in All Metal mode.)

4) Does the top of the line Fisher F75 have genuine true Auto Tracking GB in the disc mode?? (Not talking about manual GB.)

These answers help with purchasing decisions.

 

[Digger]

In that order. IMO HH Randy

 

[David]

Thanks Randy!

1) The Vaquero is expected. I bought a Musky(with Manual GB in disc) instead of this machine.

2) BUT the MXT was a big surprise because I thought that it had Auto Tracking in disc the same as the X-Terra 70, but I guess not.

3) The Sovereign GT Auto Tracks in disc is a very good thing.

4) The F75 does not either like the MXT is a little surprise for about a $1000 machine. I thought the engineers at Fisher had thought of everything.

(But then again the engineers at Minelab did not put true Auto Tracking on the Excalibur II, Explorer SE, and E-Trac either.)


Looks like the only metal detectors on the market with "Auto Tracking in the Disc mode" may be the X-Terra 70 and Sovereign GT, correct me if I am wrong?

 

[David]

Does anyone know if the 2(dual) number system, ferrous and conductive numbers, like on the Explorers and E-Trac FBS units could be put on a single frequency machine "or" definitely not for some tech reason??

Maybe that is the future of the X-Terra??

 

[Digger]

You asked if it had tracking and SAT in the Disc modes. It will track. But I believe SAT is only in the Prospecting mode. HH Randy

 

[Steve(MS)]

If you look at the current (that is the detectors one can buy new) detectors with manual or auto GB that affects disc mode, then there is a limited selection of detectors.
Maybe 16 or so from the mainline manufacturers, Randy may can count them up and let us know.
I would guess there are very few that have the auto GB tracking feature for disc mode.
So the X-Terra 70 is in a small group that can.
I am counting auto GB(like fast grab) in with manual GB but with auto it is harder to get it to offset from a certain point.
The Explorer does something entirely different so I didn't count it.

 

[willy]

The MXT has tracking in the disc. mode if the ground tracking is enabled. The Sov. GT does NOT have ground tracking in the disc. mode, only in all-metal (check the user's manual if you don't believe me). The F75 has a trigger actuated (fast) auto-GB and manual GB. AFAIK, the GB setting affects both the disc. and AM modes with the Vaquero. I have both a Sov. GT and an F75 on the way.. be here in a few days. Will be doing some extensive in-ground testing with both of them ; expect some howling from the fanboys. I traded my XTerra 70 for the Sov. GT. ..Willy.

 

[David]

THANKS, GOOD INFO WILLY. Keep up posted on your results.

(Maybe you should have bought both an E-Trac and a GPX 4500 instead? Yes I know, big buck$.)