Totally confused with all this new technology detectors:surrender:

[C.J.M.]

Is there anyone who can explain all this new technology and which is the all around winner of this new detectors:XP-Deus,Etrac;Marko 6 racer;blistool; Nkota impact,Ctx-3030Thank you.cjm

 

[amberjack]

no all round winner they all have plus sides and minus sides and there are days or months of reading on that topic enough to make your head explode, best question is to ask yourself what you want a detector for and features you need then look again..

AJ

 

[C.J.M.]

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[Mega]

Basically any detector is just a big and expensive lump of plastic and alloy and with some high tech electronic components inside,does it do anything by itself or even switch it on ?? No,it makes no odds what the makers call these new features the bottom line its upto the operator to make the detector work its magic.You can give a experienced detectorist any machine old or new and he will still find items,but you can give the most expensive detector that has all the latest technology going to a complete novice and he still wont find anything.

Detector manufactures these days highlight all the latest technology just so they can extract more money from your bank account,its nice to have some features i will admit like wireless headphones and ultra light weight that modern electronics can provide,but i still use and enjoy some detectors that are over 20 years old,because i try and learn everything that i can about the detectors ability and what its telling me.

I am not knocking the latest technology in anyway,but experience and learning the detector/s that you have can be far more productive finds wise than lashing out on the latest must have whistles and bells detector.For me experience is far more important than the latest technology which has not in theory changed much in the last 20 years.

 

[Flbchbm]

Exactly what Mega said. Pick the detector that appeals to you, learn it inside-out and backwards, and you will be successful with your hunting.

 

[vlad]

Beep/Dig, 1 freq (at a time), and 2 or more freqs at once;
After the Beep/Dig, the most basic; with the others it comes down to features; meter, tones, notches, are the basics.
Depending on more finesse brings up the price-how much are you willing to pay?
In the last 30 years, nothing much that new has come along-in VLF. {Loop design has probably been a bigger influence in better performance.}
(Machines from Russia are showing up, but is there really a difference?)

 

[slingshot]

Well, if you wanna call it that. Most of it is just improving the reset speed for working in iron or finding targets close together. The cost is noise and working slow!y to give these detectors a chance to show these improvements. Unless super serious, most grab a "weaker" unit to hunt most sites. I got an MX5 a couple years ago and suddenly it's extinct from most posts. A few days ago, I found a video showing it passing Monte's nail board test with the 9" coil! It still stands-" It's the detecter-not the detector- assuming a decent model.

 

[nam1969]

Basically any detector is just a big and expensive lump of plastic and alloy and with some high tech electronic components inside,does it do anything by itself or even switch it on ?? No,it makes no odds what the makers call these new features the bottom line its upto the operator to make the detector work its magic.You can give a experienced detectorist any machine old or new and he will still find items,but you can give the most expensive detector that has all the latest technology going to a complete novice and he still wont find anything.

Detector manufactures these days highlight all the latest technology just so they can extract more money from your bank account,its nice to have some features i will admit like wireless headphones and ultra light weight that modern electronics can provide,but i still use and enjoy some detectors that are over 20 years old,because i try and learn everything that i can about the detectors ability and what its telling me.

I am not knocking the latest technology in anyway,but experience and learning the detector/s that you have can be far more productive finds wise than lashing out on the latest must have whistles and bells detector.For me experience is far more important than the latest technology which has not in theory changed much in the last 20 years.

Good post

 

[calabash digger]

I wasn't detecting 20 yrs ago so I cant comment on those detectors but I have friends who were and they detectors now are better than those models. I will say this ive had my hands on a lot on the new designs deus,ctx, nokta,mackro, at pro , t2 , and the ace series from garrett. I had a guy big( garrett homer) on the forums say there is no such thing as a better detector its just the detectorist. I can tell you this from my on experience that's flat out false. true experience counts but the machine has to be capable in the first place. I would call myself a pro with the XP Deus and AT Pro, so lets use these two detectors as an example. A lot will argue that the pro is great in iron and that it performs with a high range detector is this true? You could take a novice with the deus and a pro with the AT and the pro would look like it would but what if you took a pro with the deus and at and put them together in an iron infested site what would happen? I have friends who are old timers and I have to program their machines for them to where its a turn on and go and they are very happy with the deus and says it performs like no other they have ever seen over the years. I think some of the older generation looks at the tech and maybe denounces it because they don't understand it. Its really up to the user as what he wants in machine id , tones etc, I normally hunt by tones and put the deus remote in my pocket and just use my ears. Is all the tech hype? a lot of it is but some machines have come along ways using the deus as an example put it in a iron infested patch and you will see how far tech has come and the mighty 30/30 it aint no slouch either just weighs a ton. So maybe some of the old machines perform well cant comment on that wasn't around then but the majority of old relic hunters I see are not swinging a machine from the 1970s or 80s and for a reason I would guess. So in theory maybe vlf hasn't changed but processors and such have. Did you ever think you would see a control box the size of a cell phone? BTW the question I asked about the at pro and deus is relevant in showing all detectors are not the same as the deus will blister the pro in iron. just my 2 cents.

 

[airscapes]

All the same.. no big advances, just market hype to get sucker to spend money..

 

[Normx2]

I've yet to find a reason to replace any of my Tesoro detectors, after 20 years if a target is under the coil they'll find it. Although Tesoro has a lifetime warranty I've yet to have have one fixed. I've been relic hunting for 20 years with a Tejon, an LST and a ShadowX2 (made by Tesoro for Troy) and I have no complaints.So I'll just keep on beepin. Thanks Tesoro and Jack Gifford.

 

[Nauti]

I agree with those that say most new technology is just money making hype.Ive tried loads of different machines and a good simple machine will do just as well as a good complicated machine......most detectorists just "feel" they will do better if they have the latest high tech gadget.

 

[Southwind]

There hasn't been any real new detector technology in close to 20 years. Just new features and changes.

Look at buying a detector like buying a vehicle. You buy what will do the best job for you. If you need a good 4x4 truck you look at the 4x4 vehicles and find one that fits your needs at the price you're willing to pay.

 

[mrwilburino]

C.J.M.- Nothing particularly new, as others have stated, but different ways of repackaging current tech into different configurations to give people the right machine to fit their needs. As far as the machines that you mentioned; any of those could turn out to be the winner depending on what you need it to do. Otherwise no perfect "all-arounder" in that group......... or maybe anywhere.

 

[Flbchbm]

You could have the most advanced, all-the-bells-and-whistles metal detector on the planet, and if you don't swing it right, i.e- pendulum swings and no overlap, you will be out-hunted by someone with a basic, no-frills detector that has proper technique. You could have that same super-detector, and if you don't hunt in places that have potential, you will not get the finds. You could have that same super detector, and if you haven't learned what it is telling you, how to tweak it to improve performance, how it might allow you to distinguish a crown cap from a coin, what hunting it is good at and what hunting it is not good at, what coils are best at what hunting, etc, etc, etc.....you will be outhunted by someone who has learned all those things with their basic detector. Bottom line, a super detector is only going to give you super results if you put in super effort to learn it along with the art of detecting. The most crucial part of successful detecting is the person holding the tool, not the tool itself. So, get the one that appeals to you the most, use it, learn it, study it, and you will be successful.

 

[Ipooponyou]

Is there anyone who can explain all this new technology and which is the all around winner of this new detectors:XP-Deus,Etrac;Marko 6 racer;blistool; Nkota impact,Ctx-3030Thank you.cjm

When we talk about new technology in metal detectors folks believe that all of those models with the big digital displays are the representatives of the new tech and the analogue manually controlled detectors are the old school.
In fact ALL NEW metal detectors with very few exceptions ARE OLD TECHNOLOGY WITH A DIGITAL SCREEN. The principal of operation is the same as ever before. Different are only the ergonomics, which include digital representation of target responses, light weigh compact design, more functional telescopic shafts, whistles and bells and so on.

One detector will excel in something another will excel in something else, but all these new tech digitally controlled metal detectors basically stop been useful down to the 10" depth mark. Beyond that is a pure speculation and a lot of marketing rubbish. And true discrimination with these new tech gadgets is possible down to just 8" or so. And guess what? It was the same for almost every old school metal detector (there are few exceptions).

There is no such thing as all around winner amongst the metal detectors.
A single metal detector with just one search coil can do so much and no more. This is the reason why many detector users have more than one metal detector. The other alternative would be a single metal detectors with a variety of search coils to suit various search conditions, but 98% of the manufacturers DO NOT offer this choice, because THEY WANT YOU TO KEEP BUYING MORE EXPENSIVE DETECTORS, NOT JUST CHEAPER ACCESSORY COILS. The marketed idea is that this detector is good for this and the other one is better for that, BUT THEY ARE ALL THE SAME INSIDE. The variety of models is nothing but illusion for which people spend their hard earned cash, because this new detector will probably do better than the old one. Hope spins eternal.

The modern view is that the digital detectors can do most if not all tasks, because they have this all mighty processors that can do miracles. THIS IS A BIG MARKETING PROPAGANDA, but also very far from the truth.

The other false idea is the so many programs that can get the digital detectors almost everywhere. Pages and pages of programs and features that no one knows what they are for. Most detector users never learn how to control a detector with just few rotary knobs, how on earth they will ever learn what to do with those great many pages of programs?

All one needs to understand for a proper work with a metal detector is Ground Balance, Sensitivity (and/or Power Output where available), Threshold and Discrimination setting. Beyond this a digital display can only make life a bit easier in the parks where some undesired non-ferrous targets can be avoided. That's all.

 

[Mega]

@Ipooponyou,a very good post Georgi

 

[cookie58]

I guess the original question of this post was based on how far detecting has progressed. Well my first detector that I ever used was my eyes. My father and I would go on a lake bottom in the early 60's that he knew and commuted before the dam was ever constructed. He knew of an old Senator's house (now just where the house place was) that had the old delco generator system that powered the whole house. I think of that because that same Senator fought against the dam being built that brought electricity and progress to his supposed constituents that he served. He also made the statement about the land acquisition for newly built 2 lane roads that the highway would stop at the Graveyard. However, his home was conveniently located to one of the best roads in the State. This is now just a site that the lake happens to cover in the Spring and uncover in the fall. You would only know that it is an old houseplace from seeing ornate ceramic tiles that litter the beautiful knowl that the huge house once sat upon. I am carrying on and will get back to the subject. In that same area, maybe a mile away, sat another house. It wasn't as big as the Senator's house and no tiles laying about only stones from the fireplace. My father instructed me on using my sensory powered detector eyes around the hearthstone of the old house. I was just a small boy and he told me what to look for and how. "Scratch around the hearthstone because people would lay valuables on the mantle and they sometimes would fall in a crack that almost always was between the floor and that hearthstone. I got lucky that day. I saw a dime-sized object laying in the soil that I had scratched out. After looking and rubbing and to my disguist, it wasn't a coin. But after investigation, I saw a Rooster surrounded by a band. On the Rooster;s chest was the word COX. In the band was the words I WILL CROW IN NOVEMBER. I found out latter from a Geography teacher of mine that this was a 1920 presidential emblem when William G. Harding ran against Cox. Now you are not allowed to scratch or metal detect in this place because of differing regulations. However, it started our infatuation with digging up history. It just so happened that we had Civil War activity in and around this same area. We started out with a metal detector that my father and I owned jointly. It was a BFO unit that was the prettiest color blue that you can imagine and a coil that looked like a thin spoke wagon wheel and brilliant white. I don't know about the adjustments but you could touch a stick weed and get a signal. No good. We went from there to a Whites CMaster TR 4 and my father got a Whites CMaster 5. No such thing as discrimination until the CMaster 6000. Metal detecting advancements are Country miles ahead of back then. On the TR4 you had to continuely adjust the threshold by stretching your thumb from the handle. And, think about the ground balancing. Hold the coil at waist level and turn a knob until it sounds and down to detecting height and turn until it sounds again. Then repeat until it is constant. Oh, and the discrimination. I can remember my father getting on his knees with the CMaster 5 and digging square nails by the score for an extended amount of time until he would find a minnie ball or sometimes a good button. There were not many detectorist out there then and understandably so. It was a chore to carry the machine for hours much less the stamina to contend with all of the nails and other ferrous materials that went along with the hobby. This is only a start, but I guess you are tired of reading.

 

[lytle78]

Cookie, I understandmyiir confusion. I would understandmitmeven better if you,would,break,up,your,stream-of-conscioness with a bit of structure.

Hit return now and then, breaking,up a solid block,of,hindredsmof words into paragraphs.

Much easier to digest.

Your thoughts are useful, please make them more digestible.

With respect.

 

[cookie58]

I am so sorry Rick for your confusion (also the title)-------I think that is what you wrote. In my defense, I was trying to make it easy for the little man running around in my computer setting type. If what I wrote earlier was confusion, try and digest this.