tones only vs number readouts

[dem]

My cz3d provides only tones to help identify targets whereas other mfg sell machines with numerical readouts to help identify targets. Am I not at a distinct disadvantage when hunting with only tones???? It seems that these other machines give you more info when hunting. Should I change to whites or minelab, etc? thanks dem

 

[tvr]

In my opinion, no I don't think you are at a real disadvantage based on availability of a ID number.

The CZ3d actually has 7 bands of displayed conductivity ranges, from iron up to silver. Not specific ID numbers but they indicate ranges. If you read enough on the various forums about results with the numeric IDs, even the most consistent detectors still can vary the ID number of specific targets a good bit. Some variation can be based on depth, ground mineralization, orientation of target (on edge, flat, slanted, bent) and sometimes a lot of variation comes if it is very near another target of different conductivity such as silver dime next to piece of iron.

I get in trouble when I start relying on a target ID of any kind and don't dig every thing that hasn't been positively noted to be iron or a soda can. If you are relic hunting, you may want to dig much of the iron too. My most productive hunting has actually been with detectors that do not have target ID except for what can be determined with the discrimination setting.

The success is entirely operator driven. My opinion is that if you learn the strengths and weaknesses of the particular detector you are using, you can be very successful with any reasonably good detector. I think any CZ and certainly the CZ3D is more than just reasonably good. I have an older CZ and it can certainly produce. I think it's biggest short fall is recovery speed. In relatively clean hunting environments it is not much of an issue. In trashy environments the slower circuit recovery speed can be mitigated by swinging slower, working slower and / or using a small coil.

How you hunt and how well you learn the detector can make a larger difference than getting a detector that can give you a specific ID number.

... my 2 cents.
Cheers,
tvr

 

[mike from Illinois]

very well stated tvr i have been metal detecting 37yrs. purchased a cz 3d two years ago and have not looked back since. a slow sweep and overlaping is the way to go for the old deep coins

 

[Bill_S]

I would stick with the 3D. It not only goes deep I do not think the numbers are necessary on them. They are real accurate on coins especially on nickels.

 

[cometguy]

The CZ3D rocks! I will admit I dig more trash than I might with a target ID but I also find more cool iffy targets. I would rather dig than wonder later.
I do have a Fisher F70 and I like it too. I know that if I rely on the target ID too much I will be leaving good targets in the ground. I use both of them
and they both do a good job. Even with the target ID on the F70 I still dig by signal many times.

HH Don

 

[kickback]

dem
The CZ series of detectors is flat out the deepest detector on coins period.A CZ with the 10 1/2 inch coil,the modern TID detectors can't touch it on coin depth.I have gone over to the ID number side so I can "dig less trash".I also dig less good coins.The CZ's will give your more IH pennies,Wheaties and Old nickels than any other machine I've used.I have used Minelabs,Whites,Fishers F series,Garretts and Tesoro's.Not just used them but worked on them to learn what they are telling me.With the CZ's you'll dig some more trash,in my ground smashed flat aluminum screwcaps and deep,deep iron will sometimes fool me.The only other detector to come close to the CZ is the F 75.It's a complete different breed of detector.It is super sensitive.With the DD coil on the F75 in my dry Montana dirt in the summer it gets chattery.Around strong EMI it will drive you nuts,sometimes.The processor is so fast my brain can't keep up to the tone changes sometimes.It is a clad vaccuum cleaner in parks and schools.My quarter and dime counts went way up by focusing on those ID numbers.I dug a Walking Liberty Half at 9 inches,tilted on edge in moist ground with the F 75,no problem great solid tone.I'm going to try a concentric coil from my F 70 on my F 75 to see if it helps with ID on rusty bottlecaps.Sorry I went off on a tangent.I will never be without a CZ as long as I can detect.Bill

 

[Tinfoil]

n/t

 

[Dan-Pa.]

I think one more facet added between Zinc and high coins would probably help as I have a shoebox full of wheat pennies dug deep but have to agree once a specific coin is deep, next to junk, worn etc. even your best ID machine may not read correctly and a good coin could be lost depending on ID specific numbers alone..Sure you may dig more junk with a CZ but then again using specific facets covering several ID numbers you will surely get the ones other guys and gals miss. Add supreme depth and user friendly and you have a winner in a CZ..