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Tones of older generation Sovereign's compared to the GT.

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JASONSPAZ1

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My first brush with the Sovereign was when I got a XS-2aPro. Now it has been a long time since I used the XS, but if I remember correctly wasn't the target tones much more distinct. I know it did not have the threshold pitch hold of the last target. But I do seem to remember that it was easier to run with no disc since the tones where much more distinct for what they represented. The GT seems to have a little bit more of a muffled sound and not as sweet as the older Sovereign. Is this correct?

Thanks in advance
take care
HH
Jason
 
Jason,
That's a hard question to answer ......First , there is a difference in tones with certain coils, and then there is always the "Tone " trim pot inside the control box that could have been adjusted differently ..... For example , I have the trim pot inside the control box turned up a bit , so that my Silver now REALLY get's your attention .... I like my Soveriegn adjusted that way ....Remember though that if you adjust it this way, your mid and low tones also come UP in frequency pitch .... They seem more abrupt and punchy , where as before they were very "FAT " or Thicker sounding ..... It's all about what your ears like to hear ..... Any Sovereign could have been adjusted differently from any number of people ...This is why there are proabably no 2 machines that sound exaclty the same, plus the fact that we all hear things differently ..... Jim
 
I have seen pics of a circuit board pic showing the trim of a Sovereign. I dare ask if it something I could do. I have snickers bars for fingers whenever I handle a tool. Sad but true

I would love to make my Sovereign GT sound sweeter on Silver.

Thanks
HH
Jason
 
I am wondering if by using this pot the tones of the Sov GT can be adjusted to mimic my Excal 1000? Just throwing this out there. (probably not?)

Best Regards,
Steve
 
Everyones ears are different ....... If you like the tone of your Excal , turn on your GT and see what the pitch is on a quarter .....Then just turn the tone pot on the GT to mimic the pitch on your Excal .... It's easier if you have two people doing this ...one doing the adjustments, and the other waving the quarter ....I had foil, a nickel, and a quarter , and waved each of them until I got the happy medium for all of them .... It's all a personal choice ... My "high pitch" hearing is better , so I opted for the higher pitched tone ......The lower tones will suffer a little bit as they are up in pitch too ....Gold already sounds solid , and I really LOVE hearing a good Silver coin SING OUT with a higher pitched tone .....It's good for me, and maybe not for you ...Again , it's personal preference ....Jim
 
The audio differences of an Excal compared to a Sovereign have more to do with the ear phones being used on the Excal. On my friend's Excal 800 the tones to me sound more muffled or flat than they do on my GT. I'm sure that comes down to the headphones the Excal has, while I'm using those $20 Sony Studio phones from Walmart.

I've found the 12x10 has raised the pitch of the tones on my GT for me. Now my silver sounds just a little more higher pitched, much like I trained my ears for on my QXT Pro. The original tone wasn't bad, just not quite as high as I've learned to notice and pay attention to on my QXT Pro. I was going to adjust the POT in my GT but with the 12x10 now I don't feel I need to.
 
I'm taking those Sony Studio phones and placeing them inside of a set of Peltors ......Outside interference is a little loud down by the beach on the Sony's ....They're plenty LOUD though ....I like them so much , I have 2 pair of them , and also ordered 2 sets of Peltors !!.. ....Jim
 
My XS2aPro has pitch hold the same as the GT,(i thought all had) tones are the same(now) after some adjustment but i can't get the same as the excalibur due to the headphones, they are very dull
 
I like them for woods hunting here in bear and mountain lion country because I can hear what's going on around me but on a windy beach I have to run the GT volume full which can ring the old bell on those shallow pop cans. Let me know how they work inside the Peltors.,
 
Crazyman ,
I'll keep you posted .....The Peltors are on order , but I'll let you know as soon as I get them, and put them togehter ....I really LOVE the tones I get from the Sony's ... Best phones yet !!....and only 20 bucks !!....Jim
 
JASONSPAZ1 said:
My first brush with the Sovereign was when I got a XS-2aPro. Now it has been a long time since I used the XS, but if I remember correctly wasn't the target tones much more distinct. I know it did not have the threshold pitch hold of the last target. But I do seem to remember that it was easier to run with no disc since the tones where much more distinct for what they represented. The GT seems to have a little bit more of a muffled sound and not as sweet as the older Sovereign. Is this correct?

Thanks in advance
take care
HH
Jason
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Jason all the sovs hold the threshold pitch of the last target.

As far as the tones being more distinct I would say that has to do with the coil more than anything, the broader the response the richer sounding it is. try a coinsearch coil on a GT versus the tornado coils and you can tell a difference.
 
Really. I thought the GT was the first time the threshold pitch was introduced. I know there was a switch on the XS-2a that had the ability to either have tone on or off.
Sorry, was a long time ago and many machines between that Sov and my current GT.
 
I know I sound like I am full of.......
But I thought the GT was the first Sovereign to have the threshold pitch hold.
Perhaps I may be useing the wrong term to describe what I mean.
I am talking about when the threshold nulls or signals a target on a GT, the threshold returns in the tone of the target.
dont remember that on my XS-2A.
For me some of the tones in the tab aliminum zinc range are hard to distinguish on my GT.
I just remember my old XS having a more higher tone when signaling coins.

Sorry there are a lot of

Take Care
Jason
 
JASONSPAZ1 said:
I know I sound like I am full of.......
But I thought the GT was the first Sovereign to have the threshold pitch hold.
Perhaps I may be useing the wrong term to describe what I mean.
I am talking about when the threshold nulls or signals a target on a GT, the threshold returns in the tone of the target.
dont remember that on my XS-2A.
For me some of the tones in the tab aliminum zinc range are hard to distinguish on my GT.
I just remember my old XS having a more higher tone when signaling coins.

Sorry there are a lot of

Take Care
Jason
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I am talking about when the threshold nulls or signals a target on a GT, the threshold returns in the tone of the target...............that is correct Jason, same on all the Sovs, threshold will stay at the tone of the last signal it goes over.
it wasnt on the earlier explorers, maybe thats what your thinking?

headphones help in distinguishing tones, some are better than others, but I think its over emphasized on actually how much different they really are. there is a good difference between say a nickel and a penny but the difference between a penny and either a quarter or dime, especially when your adding in the ground effects, are a hard sell. depth, coin angle in the ground, the ground itself, the angle you come across the coin all play a part in what signal you will get.
thats why a meter is so beneficial and actually a great tool for beach hunting that is often dismissed.
what is important in finding good stuff that remains constant are target sizing and the solidness of a sound, a round sound is a one way Ive heard it described and thats pretty accurate. learn those two things and you will do well, if your in a spot with good stuff that is.
 
Neil ,
When you have hearing that is not all that good , I find that when using phones with a lower ohm rating are LOUDER than ones with a higher ohm rating ..... Another difference that I find is that on the Gray Ghost line of phones, the dynamic range is designed to a more narrow range ....They do not sound as FULL sounding ....They actually sound pretty THIN which to me gives a much better representation of the actual target ...You hear little nuances of the targets tone that you would not otherwise hear from most other phones ..... Some would argue that they sound "cheap" which they do as they are not smooth sounding like normal stereo headphones sound .... Bunch the rest of the stereo phones together , and I couldn't tell you one set from the other ..... They all have the same dynamic range, and even the same ohm rating .... The only differences are the shell and how they make the limitter ..... On the ones that folks buy for detecting , they have added volume controls , and some sort of limitter , but the actual dynamic range is all the same ..... It's pretty much the same as the phones we use for listenning to our stereo's ...... On said phones that are bunched together with the same dynamic range ( and I'm including my Sony phones ) I would agree with you about telling the differences in coins .... The tone of Silver, and the tone of Gold, are the only 2 tones on the Sovereign that I can tell distictively ..... unless we are talking about zinc pennies and nickels ..... The 180 range coins I can't tell you one from the other unless there is a meter and even then it's hard ..... This is the reason I end up with so many copper pennies when I dry beach hunt the Sovereign .... I use the cheap Sonys now because THEY ARE CHEAP , and I can have a few set's laying around , PLUS the fact that they are LOUD enough for me to hear targets well ..... I am in the process of slapping the Sony earpieces into a set of Peltors ..... They should then be LOUD enough for a deaf man, and isolated enough that you should be able to find targets next to a running bulldozer !!.....Jim

Jason,
My original Sovereign has the pitch hold .....It has to do with how you have your Sensitivity and your Threshold set , and also your soil conditions ... I was wondering the same thing on my Sovereign until I started adjusting it differently .... I can even adjust how long I want the last target tone to go on by adjusting my Sensitivity ....Jim
 
Besides the headphones, the type of coil being used can make the sounds different. The 15x12 was somewhat different than the 10" Tornado, and the 12x10 is for sure a more crisp and higher pitched response to my ears.
 
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