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Today's Hunt With Two Friends, & The 12x10/GT Holds It's Own Again...

Critterhunter

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Finally a day that wasn't baking hot out. No sun and cooler temps with a nice breeze, so one of my friend's owning a flagship computer model called me up to go for a hunt. By the way, I consider the GT to be a flagship machine, just not a flagship model with a computer screen. Anyway, I said sure, and I hooked up with him and another one of the guys we hunt with that also has the same machine as him in our circle of hunters.

We headed to a school built in the early 1900's, where we've probably pulled 30 to 40 wheat's over about 5 or 6 total hunts over the past two years. Whenever there are that many wheat's still left to be found, you know silver isn't far behind. While we didn't get any silver today, between me and one of these guys we've managed about 4 mercs in that total of 5 or 6 hunts over the past two years. Not like we worked this place long hours either, just a quick 2 or 3 hour hunt every one of those times, including today.

Anyway, no silver among any of us today to talk about. I got 2 wheats and both my friends got a wheat a piece. No big deal, but I did want to post this thread for just one thing of interest. When we got there and as we turned our machines on, my one friend noticed an old plug from somebody other than us. He swept over it and said he was getting an iffy wheat signal, but he decided not to bother with it because he wasn't sure and we were just getting started.

Later I happened upon this plug again and decided I'd swing over it myself. I too was getting a probable wheat signal. I'd say it was at least 90% "there" in terms of quality from various angles. "Hmmm.." I thought to myself, "Not sure why he wouldn't have dug this one as it sounds pretty darn good to me to take a chance on."

Anyway, I tried pinpointing from two different angles and it was off to the side of the old plug about 4" or so. From the two angles they were showing somewhat different spots, so I did what I do in that situation and used the best "coin" signal side of the target as the side to pinpoint from. Or, sometimes when a target pinpoints in two different spots I'll just dig a plug large enough to include both hits in it's circle so as not to miss one on edge or something the first time. I don't use PP mode to PP but rather prefer doing it in discriminate, as PP mode can often drag your PP off to nearby iron or something when you are of course after the "coin" hit and not anything else.

So I dig my plug and sure enough at about 5" out pops a wheat, with of course the handy help of my Pro Pointer. I close the plug and then sweep over the spot again and I'm getting mostly a null but with just a hint of high tone mixed in there. I call my one friend over and brag about the wheat he didn't take a chance on, and then asked him how it hit for him. He said it acted the same for him as me in quality from the various angles.

I then asked him to sweep the plug because I'm getting a hair of a coin signal still in there with mostly an iron null. He sweeps over it and says "same deal here, just a hint of a high tone but mostly a null". And he's using very minimal iron rejection (a very popular pattern on this machine from a well known source on the forums). So anyway, I told him to dig the plug back out and see what it is. Turns out it was a blob of iron about the size of a half dime, very near where the wheat had been sitting (within maybe 2" or so).

Just thought it was worth mentioning, that once again the 12x10 helped the GT to hold it's own and do just as well on the masked (as well as super deep) stuff as his flagship machine. I really like this coil and feel every Sovereign owner should own one. Not only does it give you more depth, but the abilities of unmasking due to a much sharper separation of this coil make it worth it for that reason alone IMO. So far in terms of depth or unmasking checked targets this coil/GT has yet to not do just as well on targets we've been checking back and fourth in the field with each other. If I could recommend two things I feel are vital to the Sovereign, those two to me are the Pro Pointer and the 12x10. One makes life so much easier when doing a hunt, and the other makes life so much more interesting. :thumbup:
 
Good post Critter. I had a 12x10 but sold it and I've regreted it since. BUT, I have found that the 10" Tornado does an extremely nice job in completing the task at hand just as well as the 12x10. Whoever left that wheat in the ground didn't know his machine very well or he would have dug it. 5 " isn't very deep and it appears that not much effort was put into locating the coin. I'm not trying to downplay the abilities of the 12x10 but he got a signal good enough tweek his interset and dig a plug but didn't follow through with a complete recovery, therefore I think (in my opinion) it wasn't as much the coil as it was the operator. Maybe an inexperienced kid with his first detector. Good post though it got me to thinking.
Good luck Gary
 
It wasn't one of us that had dug the plug before we got there. Somebody else already did that first plug that was off center of the target. Besides the nearby iron causing problems, the wheat acted like it was on edge and I think it was by the "bouncy" up/down type of tone it gave here and there. That's also part of the reason (besides the iron blob) that I think the prior guy who dug the plug was off to the side of it by about 4" or so. When I went to PP it I had a hard time myself. From two different 90 degree angles it was showing it in two different spots, and I was PPing in discriminate so it wasn't the iron causing it to move...I think it was that the coin was probably on edge. The iron just made things even harder.

I suspect the prior guy who dug the plug was getting a reflection off the coin and so ended up digging to the side of it. One of my angles would put me about where his plug was dug, but the other angle was further right, so I dug a plug from my 4" to the right spot where the "good side" (best coin angle) pinpointed all the way to the edge of the old plug to cover both bases so to speak. Often I'll average the my dig spot two halfway between two PP spots if it's showing two spots. Usually an on edge coin will be right in between both reflections as you are seeing the side of the coin from one side, and the other from the other. It's like a mirror to the detection field and projects the signal off to both sides of a coin on edge. In those cases I'll either dig right in the middle of the two, or I'll dig a wide enough plug to include both PP spots.

I'm not saying that coin couldn't have been found by another machine. I'm just saying that the 12x10 and GT saw that coin just as well from all angles as did my friend's flagship computer model. The quality of the signal was no better for him, despite me thinking that coin was on edge and also had that blob of iron very near it in the hole. There may have even been more iron in the hole. I did ask him if he was still getting a null from iron after removing the blob, packing the plug back in, and then re-sweeping over it, but I can't remember what he said.

Gear Box, I'm not knocking the 10" Tornado. Up until the 12x10 the Tornado was the best DD coil I've ever used. Very stabile, great separation, seemed to have a nack for coins on edge, great depth (dug two of my deepest coins ever with that coil), and so on. It's just that I feel the 12x10 is better in all aspects. It raises the bar a notch higher in all aspects of performance IMHO.
 
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