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To hookah or not to hookah

h.m.scoop

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This is a questions for the hookah users out there. I have been contemplating if I should purchase a hookah or purchase another metal detector for a back up unit? I just cashed in last years finds and I will be receiving around $17,000 back so I was thinking that I deserve a new toy and I am leaning towards a hookah since I already own an Excal II 1000 and a Sea Hunter. My hunting style is free diving to 12' max and fanning and I have enjoyed hunting this way for 5 years with great success but it takes a lot of work. I was wondering if using a hookah would still keep the hobby fun and would it still be challenging (because I do enjoy the challenge just as much as the thrill of the hunt)?

do you find that setting up, tearing down, cleaning and storing your hookah is worth having one or should I ask do you find enough treasures to justify using a hookah for hunting?

Is there any hunters out there who only hunt with a hookah?
 
One option would be to float a scuba tank attached to a 20 ft airline. The line goes between the first stage regulator and the second stage regulator. They make custom floats for this or you can make your own out of an inner tube. The advantage of this over a hookah is that it is simple, almost no maintenance, silent and probably safer. The disadvantage is that your bottom time is limited and you have to get your tanks filled. At 12 ft you could probably get around 1 hour of bottom time but you could always switch out tanks or use doubles. You might be amazed at how much more productive you can be by not having to surface for air. Tank, regulator, float and hose would be less than $500 and with that much treasure your getting well...... They will want you to get certified to fill your tanks but at that depth you pretty much just have to remember NOT to hold your breath. You won't get as good of a work out but breathing underwater is a real hoot. I only wish I could be there to help you out :)
Cheers,
Jim
 
i have a hookahmax and love it. it is a gas model and i can get over 3hrs on a gallon of gas. lots of people love the electric on and if you get two batteries you can stay down the same time.. i actually like this type of detecting better because you do not have lots of people asking all sorts of questions and you get can in the deeper areas for alot more gold, silver and clad. well good luck on your decision.
 
Not been around for awhile but I still have the same Mantra. If you dive, with hookah or the tank on the float with the long hose, take the training before. Once you get the hookah nobody will know if you are trained or not until you don't come home. There might be a safety net with the tank on the float as the SCUBA shops will not refill the tank unless you can provide a cert card. It's a liability thing with the dive shop. With the loot you made you could hire an instructor and take private lessons in a warm pool. You just need to be trained. It's not intuitive to not panic when your mask comes off in freezing water unless you have learned you can inhale without using your nose and...you know how to put the mask back on and get the water out of it.
I'm sure once you go 12' there will be times you want to try something deeper. Be safe.
I had both gas and electric hookahs. Gas is nice. Runs forever on a gallon of fuel but pisses everybody off within 100 yards from where you are diving. Engines are muffled pretty well but compressors are noisy. There is a pop-off valve that lets go when the air pressure get's too high in the compressor. Safety feature and it happens all the time as you will probably never exceed the air supply the rig can provide. The electrics only run when the air get's low in the air reservoir tank. There's a pressure switch that senses when the tank is full and stops the compressor until the air in the tank drops to a certain point and then runs again. People can be having a picnic right next to where you are diving and you won't irritate anyone. The main problem with electric is the weight of the batteries. Best to get two 6 volt deep cycle golf cart batteries and hook them up in series. Get massive run time that way. Research it. The battery companies will recommend you do it that way. Be safe. Cheers...jim
 
Jim,

Yes haven't seen you in a while. Hope everything is going ok for you. He gives GREAT advice. AS he says get CERTIFIED on scuba for hooka also. have ALL the safety equipment. KNOW how to use it and GET a HUGE dive flag. I had a gas one and sold it. WAY too noisy for the areas I detect. I was upsetting people. I use scuba now and might go back to an air one if I can find one cheap. Good luck in your quest and have fun no matter what you decide. I won't float a tank or two. I like very little attachment to the surface. All I have is an innertube with a cover over it holding my dive flag.
 
Interesting topic!
I would like to use the hookah system to freshwater lakes, Has anyone experience in this?
I have permission some mine lake beaches, the water deepens quickly.

I have lot of question. What can you do if turbid water? How can i dig on bottom? With scoop?

I learn a basic diving course before i try this. I will dive in pair, never ever alone.

Thank you.
Tim
 
Tim,

Lots of infiormation on threads in this forum, just need to look back. You don't dig on the bottom, you fan your hand. If muck you dig carefully, lots of glass and sharp metal. I am sure I am not the only one that sliced his fingers on a shotgun shell bottom.

I have dove alone for over 30 years. No plans to get a constant partner. Just know what your doing. For beaches in fresh water lakes an electric hookah is the only way to go. beach goers do NOT want to hear an engine.
 
Thank you Scubad!, I will look back in this forum.

What do you do if you stir the mud or sand? The visibility is very low.
 
Stiring the sand won't kill your vis. BUT muck will. Take handfulls of muck and wave them in front of the coil. Target and muck in hand put in small mesh bag you carry. Hold the top shut and swish the bag in the water take out your target. I hunt in ZERO vis places sometimes and I bring in a lot. You just have to know what your doing.
 
Thank you Robert!
I reading your older posts :)
I live in Hungary, all sea too far from here. But there are beautiful lakes such as Lake Balaton. :) I love it!
 
Being a realist, and super safety minded, I have to say in all my diving no matter how hard I tried to stay with a fellow diver, it never happened for very long. It only takes a kick or two and the buddy is out of site because of currents, visibility, and your vision is limited to almost what's straight in front of you because of the mask design. The buddy system was pushed much harder early on as the diver was naked compared to today's divers. You had one tank and one regulator. Not the case now. You'll have at least two regulators and a lot of folks carry a smaller SCUBA system, SpairAir, that totally self-contained. Get the training and get a lot of hours shallow till you're real comfortable. Do that with a buddy and see how long either of you keep track of each other and still search and then you can decide for yourself if it's imperative to have a buddy with you.
I dive fresh water all the time. I dive Lake Washington in Washington State and belong to a group called the Lake Washington Braille Divers. The Braille part is the give away. Visibility is always poor and a lot of the searching and recovering is done by feel. Do wear good gloves. A broken bottle neck with the cap still on it will have you reaching though the muck to check out the signal. You hit the sharp glass and your dive is over. It's to the hospital for stitches, maybe, or at lest a tetanus shot. There's a few hurdles for you to jump but it's definitely worth it. Good Luck...jim
 
After 35 years of being certified, I still have my tanks, 3rd set, but like the Hookah(max) system much better, especially the 12 volt. Quiet around others trying to enjoy their weekend at the beach. I just shallow dive now, less than 15 feet. The water is usually crystal to very clear in the Manitoba lakes that are primarily sand bottom unless there is a high wind the day before. The northern lakes I used to dive, were all rock cut out by the glaciers. The shallow water(less than 30 foot) gets up to wet suit temps. I now have a solar panel to recahrge the batteries when I go for a weekend and a small generator for over night battery charging. I mostly dive north of the 53-54 parallel, "Northern Manitoba". Lots of old aboriginal artifacts and the beaches have a lot of clad, gold and silver from swimmers during the beautiful summers. And no one else has ever detected the areas I am in. good luck with your choice..
ootpik of the great white frozen north of Manitoba Canada DetectorPro Diver, weapon of choice
 
Crystal clear water and a sandy bottom. It must be paradise. Some day before I croak, I want to hunt the water that I see folks walking around in shorts and T-shirts. Just envy on my part. About as close as I get are some of the tube videos. My experience is similar to yours. Diving shallow and I had the Hookamax 12 volt also. I'd be interested in what you are doing for batteries. What kind and run time. I hooked 2 six volt golf cart batteries in series and my son and I spent 3 hours on the Hookah and the batteries were still only half discharged. The weight killed me. Each battery was about 40 lbs.Thanks for sharing. jim
 
grumpyoldman.. Bring up a map of Manitoba Canada on the net, and go north, way up north, nope farther than that. Look for a place called Leaf Rapids. It was a busy mining town in the late 60's to late 90's. Outside of town a couple of miles south east of there is a lake called Turnbull lake. It was where most or all of the people went boating, fishing and swimming. Great walleye(pickerel) and pike fishing, and great hunting, moose, bear, ptarmagin and rabbits. The bay where the beach is, is surrounded by trees, pine and spruce mostly and well sheltered from wind. The ice doesn't go out until the beginning of may but the long days and hot sun coming north heat the water up quickly. There is only 3 months of summer, june, july and august, 2 months of fall, 6 months of winter(minus 20-40) and 2 months of spring. The sandy beach is where all the action took place, swimming and launching boats etc and lots of things lost. There were and still are a lot of americans that come up there for the fishing with their RV's and campers on their trucks. The water below 12-15 feet is always cold, so a wet suit is needed if you go more than 10-12 feet down, you quickly came back up, BRRRRRRRRR, as the wet suit filled up. The closest filling station for tanks is Winnipeg at that time, 500 miles to the south, and expensive to ship your tanks out and get them filled. So, hookah is the best way to go. You don't dive up there for anymore than 30 to 45 minutes MAX unless a dry suit. Now when I go north I have the hookah with a 12 volt deep cycle battery and the battery is just a regular Trojan deep cycle and really doesn't get much of a work out, just short duration, little stress. You can drive right onto the beach, so no lugging of equipment(15-20 feet). Even at 63 I don't do what I did when in my 20's and 30's. To many years working as a heavy equipment mechanic on Wabcos and D8 and D9 cats and loaders. I used to get phone calls all the time to come and look for lost vehicle keys with my old Whites coinstar 4000D and it usually came through, 90% plus average.. I still have it and use it yearly, great machine. Now I have a new DetectorPro diver for water use and it works great. Amazing what people have lost and I still find things lost 10-30 years ago after I have been over that area many times. The aboriginal people have been in the area for 1000's of years and if your lucky you find something. It is there, just recognizing what it is underwater is difficult. If your a fisherman, maybe think of a trip north someday. Pike in the 15-30 pouind range and walleye up to 20 pouinds, if your really lucky, and the fish hit on just about any lure there is. In the south, there is lake Winnipeg for swimming, with some of the best beaches in the world. Long slow sloping sandy beaches after the wind settles down the water clears after 1-2 days and the water is very warm. You have to watch out for deep cuts after a heavy wind from the west, but an east wind fills them in a few days or weeks later and you can walk out a few 100 feet or more and only be waist to chest deep.
We get temperatures here in the 70's to high 90's in the summer so the beaches are full in the good summers, but not every summer is a good one. Good luck on your diving and quest for good stuff. It is there, it is just getting the coil over it and finding it. ootpik
 
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