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Tips on Vaquero and discriminating out iron

fsuhunter

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I have now put in about 60 hours with my vaquero. The first 20 were rather frustrating because I ended up digging MUCH more iron (both large and small) than I ever did with my X-TERRA 705. So I spent the next 40 trying to learn how to reduce this amount as well as improve my overall detecting.While I dig much less iron now, I find that it is at the expense of depth and missing out many targets. Here are some of the things I am doing:

1. Learned how to properly ground balance: This really helped with depth and stability/falsing. Once I learned how to ground balance, I was surprised at how often it was extremely positive or negative. I also found out that I needed to check the ground balance often to account for changes in ground conditions.

2. Lowered the threshold (usually) to around the 1-3 O'klock setting. I set this starting in all metal mode, and then increase the threshold until I hear a tone and switch to discrimination mode (just past iron). Once there, I leave it alone. But should I set it higher than this?

3. I keep sensitivity at around 9-10 (I lower it however if there is a lot of small junk or just too many signals) to maintain stability.

4. Now on to iron..I found that if I did not have a clean/repeatable signal in four directions, it was probably old iron. So now I dig mostly only those four way repeatable signals. While I dig much less iron, I noticed that my depth is now very poor. I found very few signals below 3 inches. For those of you that have detected old european farms, you know that there is a ton of old iron.

5. With other detectors (XTERRA 705) I could usually scrape off 3 inches of the topsoil to get a better idea of what I was digging. This does not seem to work well with the Vaquero. For example, I would have a signal that sounded very clear in two directions, but would not sound off in the other two. I would then scrape a few inches of dirt and all of a sudden I would get a nice clear four way signal. BUT...it almost always ends up being iron.

6. I have used sizing to reduce iron as well (a small coin probably shouldn't give a signal in a wide area like rusty iron), but I am worring that I could miss larger artifacts/coin spills etc.

7. This is more of an embarrassing observation than anything else. I have lent out my detector to a few people and when I should them how to use it, I will put a coin on the ground and then a piece of iron (usually one I dug up earlier in the day). The problem is, I get a lovely (and to my ears the exact same) four way beep when I go over iron and the coin. I even crank up the discrimination as my face turns red but the detector still picks up the iron. I have verified this with two different vaqueros. Naturally the person I am showing asks what the problem is. I simply answer that when the metal is in the ground it will discriminate or that the it is old iron and will fool any detector. The truth is though, I would have no problem discriminating this with my Xterra...

In short, I am getting better at not digging iron, but I suspect it is coming at a high cost (i.e., lower depth and missing good targets). Hopefully you can provide me with some good tips/ suggest ifi am doing anything wrong or confirm if I am doing things properly.
 
I feel your pain. I have an Outlaw that behaves the same way. However, I did read a pinpointing/audio technique to I.D. iron while still in the ground that might work with the Vaq as well. A guy with the name of "Stix" (I think) wrote about it a week or two ago regarding his Outlaw. Like i said, it may or may not work the the Vaq, but worth a read. Good luck, there are lots of folks on this forum with loads of experience with the Vaq, Im sure they'll chime in.
 
I have never owned a Vaq but my outlawr, is also prone to beep on flat Iron and bottle caps, but if you move off center it should crackle whear a coin will not do so , I find that flat nails alsost make no sound but flat Iron will so try moving the coil off center and se if it sounds like its breaking up then its Iron. thats the way my blisstool is and the outlawr
 
I read that you hunt with disc.set just past iron, I hunt with disc. set in between nickel and the line just lower than nickel and it seems to remove most iron. Please remember that the Vaquero has ED 180 disc., the ED means extended discriminate which indicates that it was made to have extended disc in the iron range. Coin shooters don't need it but relic hunters love it. Happy hunting.
 
Thanks for the tips y'all. The main thing I am not sure of is whether it is a good idea to only dig when I get a 4 ways clean signal? That seems to be the best way to avoid iron, even if I miss some targets. In your experience, do you often find coins even when you only get a signal 1, 2, or 3 ways? Does it happen often enough to where you often dig those types of signals?

By the way, for anyone struggling with ground balance, here is the best how to video I have come across: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjXq4sHTS_Y After I watched it, I could not believe how easy it is to GB.
 
Look up "Monys power ballance ", it works great when done right, iron wont be a problem with the Vac or with some of the other manual gb units (tesoro's).
 
If there is one thing I don't dig with the outlaw it is iron or bottlecaps. Maybe its just me but I can hear the slight scratch of the cap and as you turn up the disc with your thumb it becomes more apparent. Bent nails were a bugger aswell but when you super pinpoint a bent nail depending on depth you may need to detune again but you will get the suttle scratch. I run my disc on the first notch but even if I turn it all the way down to nothing it still descrims iron out very well. I will have to post a video up and see if I can show help show what I mean. You always can hear the break up.

The only signals that break slightly that I do dig and they are coins/jewelry at times are after super pinpointing once and you get a faint signal dig it because it is deep and can trick the detector.

Its hard to explain it on a forum. I will do my best to get a video up.
 
The vaquero is an all purpose detector that will discriminate unwanted targets but iron, especially large iron, bent iron nails, lead and pull tabs (aluminum) will often sound like diggable targets with some subtle differences in tone...where tone level can determines a large iron target ( dig 8 inches ,no target ,but still get a loud tone)or a smaller non copper/silver target by thumbing discriminator and listening if the tone changes,breaks, ticks, sound decreases, or remains the same. i have also found large aluminum cans basically reacts the same as large iron targets as well.recently i detected an older property (1875) that was loaded with iron targets. To compensate digging the entire yard I had to determine what target had the best repeatable stable tone versus one that would break or tick or change when fully discriminated after 10 or so swings of the coil. However, I ended up digging more relics( decorative copper strips, broken spoons,lead,twisted square nails,bolt heads,very corroded iron, and one penny a 1927) than the seated silver I was dreaming about. I suppose it all boils down to the ground you detect if its trashy or filled with iron and you want to be absolutely sure you aren't missing a possible awesome find it's going to be very hard indeed to separate good targets from bad without digging all questionable targets just to be sure! Good luck to you and happy digging.
 
Never had a Vaq but I can see where not having the super pinpointing on the outlaw could prove to be tougher on determining target. Its all on your ears but big aluminum can be a problem unless ya have a way to detune and size the target.
 
I recommend not being so dead set on a four way signal, you will be missing out on some very good finds, the ground matrix can do some weird stuff sometimes.
 
Humble Hunter said:
I recommend not being so dead set on a four way signal, you will be missing out on some very good finds, the ground matrix can do some weird stuff sometimes.

I am not worried that I miss some targets unless there is something systematic in the way I miss targets. The thing is, most of the fields I detect are very large and contain lots of medieval/viking coins and artifacts. So there are always targets to dig and maximizing the time spent on good targets is a priority (yeah, we are very spoiled in Scandinavia).

BTW, I am very grateful for all the tips. Besides one other person (who I convinced to buy the V and has already given up on it), no one I know of has ever even heard of tesoro in Denmark.
 
I would personally use a DD coil as opposed to a concentric under conditions where there is a lot of iron.
But if you are in an iron infested area, you should know that a good target next to iron can easily be a one way signal.
 
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