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:thumbup:What do you want in a new version of a Sovereign. And when will it come out ?

JASONSPAZ1

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I have been flirting with the idea of selling my SOVEREIGN GT, for something else. Boy, I am glad that was just a phase that lasted a couple hours. I am going to stick with my original plan. I will get rid of my GT only for a new version of the Sovereign.

I would like to see the new coil that is on the SE PRO, and the E-Trac to be standard on a new Sovereign. If Minelab can pull off a trigger pinpoint with the ability to still hip mount, that would be awesome but most likely impossible. I would like to see a target id built in if possible, instead of having to buy the meter separate. I would also like the target id tones to be digital in order to have a more distinction between various targets. So what would you like to se in a new Sovereign? And I dare ask does anyone know of any rumblings within Minelab that a new Sovereign is on the way? And God forbid that Minelab discontinue the Sovereign line. Can you imagine that:goodnight:
 
put it in the Tiger Shark water proof case..other than that dont touch it!
 
JASONSPAZ1 said:
I have been flirting with the idea of selling my SOVEREIGN GT, for something else. Boy, I am glad that was just a phase that lasted a couple hours. I am going to stick with my original plan. I will get rid of my GT only for a new version of the Sovereign.


What thought crossed your mind to do that?
 
u can get a waterproof jacket now for almost everything

have headphone jack on the side

the tesoros are all SMALL.............tiny even.......light

could u bear to have a GT the size of a cibola or tejon................o m g

dreamland 2010
 
Easily viewable (angle)Target ID & depth display, with trigger activated pinpoint mode, (like Whites detectors have). Faster recovery speed, (faster updated electronic processor) faster sweep speed ability, improved BBS with more frequency capabilities, overall lighter, lighter coil, available water resistant cover, (good for rain, or a splash of a wave but not an Excal).
 
I would like to be able to hear the iron as an option rather than the constant null in bad ground
 
Just got a new se pro and tried it out at the park that i hit so much with the sov that there were no coins left so i thought until i hunted it for the 1st time with the se pro. pulled 3 wheaties and a nice indian cent out of the exact same spot that i hunted to death. I wanted to go to the best place in the park were i thought if i can even get 1 old coin it would prove to me the pro works. Well the sov stays as my back up for now but was very impressed with the pro, NO NULLS heard all the iron and good sounds. Can not wait till i can go again to see if it was just luck. I have found so many good coins with the gt that it will never leave but some times you have to try something different.
 
Stop, guys....STOP !!:surrender:

ID meter, depth gauge, lighter, butterfly coil...

Please don't turn this very capable and so different unit into an Explotrac !!

It is diffrent from FBS units and has to remain that way...

Long live the Sovereign !

I would agree, however, with the P/P switch thing.

HH

Nick
 
On thing I did is make and install an aluminum handle from a piece of pipe. I added a pushon-pushoff button at the top and wired it to the disc/AM switch. When I get the annoying low tone buzz, I can barely bump the button and the tone will change back higher. I can also push the button and lock it in AM and push it again to lock in to Disc mode. Works great for reverse hunting. Best improvement I done to it. No more reaching back to flip the switch! I don't know why it didn't come out with one?
 
A short and easy Christmas list for the next sovereign.

1. Jack for remote switch DISC/AM
2. Meter with a backlight and built in toggle switch for DISC/AM
3. Shorter cables, lighter coils.

Rich (Utah)
 
I covered a lot of this in my "Newbie Sovereign Comparison To Whites/Explorer" thread, but here goes. With fresh eyes on this machine compared to all my others here is what they should do...

Drop the weight of the straight shaft: Why so thick of a metal upper rod and a thick fiberglass lower one? They need to go smaller (like Whites size) with the metal on the lower rod, and they should provide a carbon rod for the lower one. The stock upper/lower shaft on this thing is much heavier than a Whites yet it isn't as stiff as a Whites. Makes no sense. Does anybody know the stock GT straight shaft weight and the weight of aftermarket ones? Also, what are they composed of material wise? I want to lighten this thing up.

Drop the weight of the 10" coil: Why in the world does this thing have all that heavy epoxy on the bottom of the coil case? Never seen that before. Unless you plan to use it for home security there is no reason for that. Probably why a 12" Sunray weighs less.

Drop the weight/length of the cables: They are twice as thick as a White's and probably twice as long. Not only is this added weight but also makes the machine look like it was made in somebody's garage with all those wraps around the shaft. I realize they did this to hip mount the box if needed but why not sell and extension cable for that? Most people don't hip mount, yet the rest of us are forced to suffer with the extra weight/length. Imagine the production cost savings they could make by not making all the coils and meters with that extra long useless cable. Mounting a meter makes the coil cable length even worse, and the meter's is also excessively long.

Drop the weight of the battery pack: It's 2009 these days and soon to be 2010. Battery technology has come a long way. A 3 cell 2250ma (12.6V) lipo pack is 3.3 ounces lighter than the stock rechargable pack and will have over twice the run time. These batteries were designed for low weight/high capacity and are used in the hobby of RC airplanes and now some new power tools and other things. I plan to mod my Sovereign by exiting a connector from the power leads inside the box. The lipo pack will sit on the top of the box nicely right next to the shaft and will be held on with velcro. I'll still be able to unplug it and use the stock pack in the normaly pack spot, but I plan to leave even the empty battery hold off the GT when I'm using the lipo pack to shave a few more ounces in weight as well. By the way, a 1000ma capacity on the stock pack is nothing. They should have had at least a 2000ma pack with the detector for double the run time, though the stock pack should run 15 to 20 hours. Not bad. If anything, you can save yourself some weight by running those Energizer Lithium AA batteries in the stock holder. They are close to half the weight of regular AAs and will have longer run times. These are not rechargable like my lipos, though.

That foam handgrip is junk. Any bike shop should be able to give you something to slide over it that will make it much more comfortable and hold up better.

The plastic control box is cheesy. Use a better plastic or use aluminum or something like Whites. Also not fond of the way the box connects to the shaft. Mine seems to have some play. Need a better design here. I'm also worried that with the right bump the box will unsnap.

The meter's mount is outrageously bad. Who thought that people could use it in that position? Why not provide a clip with the meter or the detector that would raise it 4 or 5 inches and tilt it back for easy viewing above the hang grip? I'm not willing to pay $20 for an aftermarket piece of plastic to do this, so I'm going with a $3 solution. Two thin bolts, 6 nuts, 6 washers. Drill out the rivets in the V-clip and all the way through the shaft. Grind down the heads on the bolts so they won't block the meter sliding into place like the rivets allow, insert bolts through V-clip. Two nuts/washers on bottom of V-clip. to snug it to the bolt heads. Two more nuts/washers to go through at the top of the shaft, then two more at bottom of shaft to tighten against. Adjust back bolt shorter so meter is tilted back a bit. Cut or grind off excess bolt lengths. Instant raised/tilted meter for about $3 and ten minutes worth of work!

Who thought pinpoint could be so much work! They should have an external plug outlet on the control box. When the unit is mounted under the arm rest you plug in a wire here which goes to a switch on the finger grip just like the Whites. If you want to hip mount the unit you just unplug the wire from the box and use the normal switch on the face of the box.

Come to think of it, why not mount the meter on top of the hand grip and have a trigger hanging out the bottom of the meter just like a Whites. That way, as I seen somebody mod the unit like this, the pinpoint wire is already in the cable the goes from the meter to the control box.

Technology wise I am thus far totally shocked and impressed with the GT, even compared to the Explorer. Hardware wise they need to build these things which the though of people using them. I'm looking to shave as much weight as possible via the lipo battery, aftermarket straight shaft that weighs less (?...Anybody know what the stock and aftermarket ones weigh to compare?), and anywhere else I can...such as getting the Sunray 12" coil which I guess (?) is even lighter than the 10" Tornado?
 
One exception would be a new expanded discrimination range down to accept large and small iron with a distinct low iron tone. This should provide better sensitivity to smaller gold possible depth increase and even less target masking in iron. I hip mount any detector that can be hip mounted so the cable length is not an issue or is the coil weight for the same reason. I pinpoint in disc. mode which is faster and just as accurate all metal/pinpoint so that is not an issue either. I have gotten away from meters for the type of hunting I do so a meter isn't important to me. I really like the Sovereign the way it is.
 
I'm finding the meter to be a major help for a newbie to learn the machine. I currenly only roughly know the sound of a nickle or a "180" coin signal but the meter is what I'm using to confirm all that. I think the meter helps you to learn the sounds and then later you can rely on the sounds more than the meter if you want once you know them.

Yea, I'm a little bothered by the inability to hear iron sounds unless in all metal as well. I saw a lighter laying on the ground yesterday and it kind'a bothered me that I couldn't hear a sound from it with zero discrimination, just an iron null. Often in the woods I use iron signals to let me know where human acitivity was and then to further search that area for coins and other relics. I know I could hunt in all metal to do this but it just doesn't seem right that I can't adjust the discrimination down to allow me to hear the iron in discriminate.

This brings up another question for me. I take it iron mask on is known for pulling coin signals in iron. Will any of these be "perfect" 180 signals and sounds, or will they all be iffy in ID and audio? I need to know if there are at least a few easy IDs waiting for me out there in iron while I learn this machine. Also, does iron mask do anything at all in helping to pull coin signals mixed in with non-ferous trash like pulltabs or such? I'm worried that the ultra slow audio response of the GT will mask a lot of coins mixed in with trash. I'd like to hear from anybody who can compare the GT with say an S5 coil to the ultra fast recovery speed of something like a Fisher or QXT Pro is trash. Does the faster machine have a big advantage here? Any advice on what to listen and watch for on coins in iron or trash on the GT is welcome.
 
Light weight control box like Tesoro Has.
Light and thin coil like Tesoro Has.
Fast target separation like a Teknetics T2 Has.
Iron see through like a Tesoro has.
Depth like Nautilus Has.
Lifetime Warranty like Tesoro Has.
Keep the AWESOME Sovereign tone ID. -- That would be one SWEET machine.
 
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