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Threshld NULL, very long and for the faint of heart.

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I can explain this in more technical detail but this is long enough. I don't have the time right now to go into great detail about the circuits that do all this and most of you don't care anyway. I see some question still being posted about null so here goes.
One way to think about the threshold going null is to use a model of a detector that does not have automatic ground balance and tracking.
A detector is ground balanced to pure ferrite, which is the reference for "ground balanced". <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">We are not doing anything to change the electromagnetic field from the transmitter coil.</span> <STRONG>The ground balance is a rejection of pure ferrite so is actually discrimination. </STRONG>There is no pure ferrite in the real world of detecting so that is offset slightly to compensate for the real world of detection.
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">The primary mineral that has to be rejected is iron oxides.</span> Since a detectors circuits are set for pure ferrite as zero balance any metal will cause the audio to have a positive increase. <STRONG>Iron oxides will cause the threshol audio to have a negative increase. </STRONG><span style="background-color:#ffff00;">This is a way of attempting to explain phase angle so metals all have a positive phase angle and iron oxides a negative phase angle in reference to pure ferrite and the offset.</span>
Circuits in the detector look at the transmitter oscillator for a reference signal to establish the zero to know if a material is ferrite, metals, or iron oxides. The soil is neutral, positive or negative to the reference signal. Iron oxides are always negative so if there are enough in the soil matrix then the soil is negative. A VLF when tuned to a slight threshold with no offset will have the threshold go silent if lowered to soil that is negative or null. If the soil is positive the threshold will increase so we hear a loud sound. If the soil is neutral then nothing or very little change will be heard in the threshold. If the threshold changes, goes null or loud it will stay that way unless the user can do something. That something is to adjust an offset.
It is easy to think of this as a ground balance control and we turn the control and if the signal is negative tune in a positive offset till the detector is ground balanced back to zero. Another way is to say that some iron oxides are such that the detector circuits see a
 
Just joking. That is a seriously good explanation. As a beach detectorist I use my EX2 slightly differently but the same principles apply.
Regards
Fred
 
Yes to some extent. It is like my truck and car in that it depends on what I am going to do which one I use. I have found the Explorer with the small coil and patterns to be the most effective and fun machine I have used in <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">heavy trash</span>. However, the idea of hunting for hours and walking over rings and other good targets when I would have got them at IM-16 gets under my skin.
I have yet to use a detector that did not do better with as little discrimination as I could get by with. I am very much a believe in Tones for discrimination and use as little threshold discrimination as I can. I am much more confident with Tones than threshold null. The only thing good about threshold null is it is easy in a lot of ways.
And as always this is just my take on it. Tomorrow I may preach the other side of the coin. But for now I do like all metal detecting with tones except in very heavy trash.
HH, Cody
 
<img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> Just yankin yer chain Cody...
Nice piece of work and I think I understood 97.63% of this one... <img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin">
I hunt predominantly with a clear screen, ferrous tones and rarely if ever use iron mask. I find the small blips off the edge of the double D coil to be verrrrry frustrating and in iron mask even more so. Hot rocks don't seem to be much of a problem for me here along the shores of Lake Erie. I had more trouble with my Whites 6000 Di Pro in regards to the mineralization here than I've had with my E-XS. Most times the iron is so thick in my favorite haunt that I can't get a solid threshold tone for more than half a sweep anyway. <img src="/metal/html/sad.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":sad">
Sorry for the smarta$$ Subject line... couldn't resist <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)">
HH
Tom
 
Yes, Minelab and Whites but to the university folks. I don't get into selling that much and had that understanding when I signed on. As a retired teacher and also from the Air Force I don't want the selling to get in the way of the playing.
HH, Cody
 
Ha ha, I almost went blank when I saw your subject line. It is really hard for me to be lost for words but that had me stuck for a second.
It is interesting that detectors are a lot hotter and also more difficult to use in some ways than the ones in the sixties. If I had to go back to the TR with no ground balance I am sure I would be right back to the difficulties we have with the modern VLF.
HH, Cody
 
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