Andy/Memphis
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i had a silver sabre umax awhile back and it was fun machine and found sevral silver coins with it imanly hunt for coins at house and school and park sites anyone have the cibola that hunts these type of sites
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thinking of buying a cibola
- Thread starter Andy/Memphis
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Howdy Andy
Never owned a cibola, but I have a couple of Bandidos, which operate similar I suppose. These Tesoros will surprise you on how well they work. If you are looking to buy new or used, I would suggest a hard look at a Vaquero, it has adjustable Ground Ballance for difficult soil. Just my 2 zincs................Hombre
Never owned a cibola, but I have a couple of Bandidos, which operate similar I suppose. These Tesoros will surprise you on how well they work. If you are looking to buy new or used, I would suggest a hard look at a Vaquero, it has adjustable Ground Ballance for difficult soil. Just my 2 zincs................Hombre
Hay Andy,
My first Tesoro was a Cibola.
I loved it. It ran so smooth and it was light as a feather.
I have five Tesoro'es now. I have sold a few Tesoroes also.
The reason I sold the Cibola was because I wanted to
have the Vaquero.
They are the same, except the Vaquero has adjustable
ground balance and you can set it in all metal mode
without having to hold the red button down.
I have a Silver Sabre uMax. If you like the way the controls
were on the SS uMax, you should like the Cibola. The
controls are almost the same. The performance is better
on the Cibola, in my opinion.
I hunt for gold jewelry most of the time. The Cibola is very
sensative to small gold jewelry. All Tesoro'es are good gold
jewelry hunters. But I hunt relics and artifacts, including
coins. I do a lot of parks. I do some old house sites and so
on.
All of the Tesoro'es I purchased were used, except one of
my Compadre's. I just love my two Compadre's. I have one
with a 7" coil and one with a 5.75" coil.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
My first Tesoro was a Cibola.
I loved it. It ran so smooth and it was light as a feather.
I have five Tesoro'es now. I have sold a few Tesoroes also.
The reason I sold the Cibola was because I wanted to
have the Vaquero.
They are the same, except the Vaquero has adjustable
ground balance and you can set it in all metal mode
without having to hold the red button down.
I have a Silver Sabre uMax. If you like the way the controls
were on the SS uMax, you should like the Cibola. The
controls are almost the same. The performance is better
on the Cibola, in my opinion.
I hunt for gold jewelry most of the time. The Cibola is very
sensative to small gold jewelry. All Tesoro'es are good gold
jewelry hunters. But I hunt relics and artifacts, including
coins. I do a lot of parks. I do some old house sites and so
on.
All of the Tesoro'es I purchased were used, except one of
my Compadre's. I just love my two Compadre's. I have one
with a 7" coil and one with a 5.75" coil.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
Hey Andy, the Cibola is an outstanding detector. I bought a Deleon in July, thinking that this be the one! Not so for me. I wanted to try a beep and dig detector so I got a Cibola. My Deleon hasn't left my closet in 2 months, don't get me wrong the D is awesome, but my Cibola converted me to a beep and dig guy. My soil is very mild, I dug a 1936 wheatie at 10 inches stock coil sensitivity at 8, absolutely no fish story! And a tax token at 8 inches. If your soil is mild by all means get the Cibola, but if you have any doubts about the soil conditions that you'll be hunting get the Vaquero.
Andy,
My Cibola gets more use than any of the 5 detectors I have. That is because it is very light, very easy to set up and use, finds good stuff and, once you learn what it is trying to tell you, it tells you a fair amount of information about what is under the coil.
I hunt mostly school yards and play grounds and a few yards. If I were close to a beach, the Cibola probably would not get as much time.
If you did well with and liked the silver sabre umax you had, I think you will do well with and like a Cibola. If you have very difficult ground conditions and / or want two more features (ground balance and locking in all metal), go for the Vaquero (although I haven't use a Vaquero it should be nearly identical to the Cibola with the two added features).
I also have a Tejon. In my relatively short experience with the Tejon, it has proven itself to be a little deeper and hits very hard on brass and lead, but takes more paying attention to. So ... back to the first two sentences.
The 5 in coil on your CZ6a works the trashy areas well too ... I also have that set up ... and then I go back to the first two sentences.
tvr
My Cibola gets more use than any of the 5 detectors I have. That is because it is very light, very easy to set up and use, finds good stuff and, once you learn what it is trying to tell you, it tells you a fair amount of information about what is under the coil.
I hunt mostly school yards and play grounds and a few yards. If I were close to a beach, the Cibola probably would not get as much time.
If you did well with and liked the silver sabre umax you had, I think you will do well with and like a Cibola. If you have very difficult ground conditions and / or want two more features (ground balance and locking in all metal), go for the Vaquero (although I haven't use a Vaquero it should be nearly identical to the Cibola with the two added features).
I also have a Tejon. In my relatively short experience with the Tejon, it has proven itself to be a little deeper and hits very hard on brass and lead, but takes more paying attention to. So ... back to the first two sentences.
The 5 in coil on your CZ6a works the trashy areas well too ... I also have that set up ... and then I go back to the first two sentences.
tvr
- 4 more Tesoro's found my home & I still have the Cibola. It was like one of those "Bet ya can't have just one" kind of thing.
I had a tough time deciding between the Cibola and a Vaquero. I hunt the beach sometimes and I wanted a machine that would be good to travel with for the different soil conditions, so I got the V with the ground bal. I thought I'd use use all metal mode alot but I don't , except when looking for a site back in the woods or large open area. Its been great on coins and relics. Not much depth past 6-8",10" max on small coin sized targets. Get the 5.75 coil if you hunt a lot of trashy areas, I haven't seen much, if any difference in depth between the stock coil or it.. Very impressed with the target separation and fast response I think you'll be happy with either
I have had the Cibola for abt 5 months. It is a very impressive detector. I f you get one, I can tell you how to calibrate it for your particular soil, and it will detect just as deep,, maybe deeper than the Vaquero and the Tejon , especially on Gold. The calibration procedure is fast, easy, and wont void your factory warranty. The Cibola operates at around 14.3 khz, and will detect a nickel (gold), farther away than it will detect a quarter,, (clad). Even with the sensitivity turned all the way down to 1, my Cibola still has me digging dimes, copper pennies, and quarters down in the 5 and 6 inch range in moderately dry , hard soil. I am going to get another detector, probably a compadre, so that I can just scan the surface for fresh droppings, or for competion hunts. My previous Tesoro detector,, The Sidewinder I had, before some rat stole it,, was a coin magnet,, and loved clad coins, it just didnt detect very deep. And sometimes thats how I like it. I have found plenty good things so far with my Cibola. Im still trying to learn the subtle differences in tone or loudness or "pop", that others swear they can hear to identlify what the target is,, but so far its been elusive. The TONE sounds EXACTLY the same to me, weather its a nickel, quarter, dime, penny, pulltab, pencil head, iron bar, gold ring, siver coins,, ect , ect, It ' pops' just as hard on a clad dime as it does a clad quarter in my ears. The only thing that sounds different is if a target is very deep, or the target is on he verge of being discriminated out. Then the sound will be kind of broken or faint without the definitive pop. I would love to blindfold someone who says they can tell what type of clad coin, or sillver or gold is under thier coil, and watch them do it,, because I hve listened intently, and I have better than average hearing,, and it all sounds the same to me as far a tone goes,,, thanks for reading and welcome any replies ,,, Steve 
Hay Steve,
I may be one of those guys you want to blind fold.
High conductive coins hit tha same as a nickle,
more or less.
I can thumb tha disc with my eyes closed and tell
you if it's a penny or a dime.
Sometimes a dime will not disc out. In that case,
it can be hard to tell tha difference between them
and a quarter. Depth changes tha responses tha
same as with a TID results. You know how they
are wrong all tha time, especially if it's deep. That's
where tha brain wins out.
Iron is no problem. A nail will double beep and be
real scratchy in one direction and won't respond in
another direction.
Rusty nails can sound like foil, or a tiny gold item.
I dig some rusty nails, but most are no problem.
Larger iron hits too hard to be a small goody. If it
is a lower conductor and hits loud and hard, it's
some kind of large low conductor. It can't be gold.
If it was large gold, it will sound like a higher
conductor, more like a penny. But tha sound of tha
hit on iron is seldome like a coin or gold goody.
I can take my Compadre or my Euro Sabre and tell
tha difference in those types of responses with a
blindfold on.
I just thumb without even lookin. I know by feal where
it disc out.
I would think that anyone with 10,000 or 20,000
recoveries under their belt should be able to do this.
Maybe if you use a lot of disc, you can't tell much.
Discrimination changes the response. It takes away
the expreshion a lot.
If you don't use good headphones, you will have a
problem.
I can use my brain and descriminate much better than
any TID I have ever used.
As a surveyor, I could do problems that computers
don't have a clue about.
I look at it tha same way.
Tha brain is tha best disc, in my book.
I doubt tha talkin lady can do what I do.
But then I can't do what she does either.
But, GIVE ME MY BRAIN ANY DAY.
That's what makes me happy.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
I may be one of those guys you want to blind fold.
High conductive coins hit tha same as a nickle,
more or less.
I can thumb tha disc with my eyes closed and tell
you if it's a penny or a dime.
Sometimes a dime will not disc out. In that case,
it can be hard to tell tha difference between them
and a quarter. Depth changes tha responses tha
same as with a TID results. You know how they
are wrong all tha time, especially if it's deep. That's
where tha brain wins out.
Iron is no problem. A nail will double beep and be
real scratchy in one direction and won't respond in
another direction.
Rusty nails can sound like foil, or a tiny gold item.
I dig some rusty nails, but most are no problem.
Larger iron hits too hard to be a small goody. If it
is a lower conductor and hits loud and hard, it's
some kind of large low conductor. It can't be gold.
If it was large gold, it will sound like a higher
conductor, more like a penny. But tha sound of tha
hit on iron is seldome like a coin or gold goody.
I can take my Compadre or my Euro Sabre and tell
tha difference in those types of responses with a
blindfold on.
I just thumb without even lookin. I know by feal where
it disc out.
I would think that anyone with 10,000 or 20,000
recoveries under their belt should be able to do this.
Maybe if you use a lot of disc, you can't tell much.
Discrimination changes the response. It takes away
the expreshion a lot.
If you don't use good headphones, you will have a
problem.
I can use my brain and descriminate much better than
any TID I have ever used.
As a surveyor, I could do problems that computers
don't have a clue about.
I look at it tha same way.
Tha brain is tha best disc, in my book.
I doubt tha talkin lady can do what I do.
But then I can't do what she does either.
But, GIVE ME MY BRAIN ANY DAY.
That's what makes me happy.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
Thanks for the reply,, when you say you can tell if its a dime or a penny, I would think you mean a zinc penny, because an older copper penny and a clad dime hit at the same place, and cannot be discriminated out on the Cibola. As far as the blindfold subject,, I was talking only about TONE. I know how to use the discrim to check targets, but there are some detectors,, like the Tesoro Sidewinder that I had,, that did not have variable tones for conductivity of targets, but there was a very distinct difference in the sound that the detector made,, when it hit different coins. The sidewinder gives a slightly louder broader POP on a quarter,, than it does on a dime or penny. A dime sounds alot like a copper penny, Its more of a snap than a pop,, and a nickel is more like a buzz. I could easily tell the difference everytime between a nickel, a dime, a quarter and a zinc penny with the Sidewinder,, And the sidewinder DOES NOT have variable tones,, its just the way the detector is designed. What im talking about with the Cibola, is folks who claim they can tell the difference between coins by only listening to the Sound.. No Jacking with the discrim, no pumping the coil over the target,, Just by listening to the sound the detector makes as you pass the coil over the target.
Well Steve, that is a different matter.
I use only single tone Tesoro'es.
I use tha machine to hunt with. I use
tha disc, I use coil highth, I use angle
of approach and techniques that I can
not explain because it is on more of a
subconcious level.
All these things are put togather in a fluid
motion so that it seem as though I'm just
waving tha coil around a little.
I would not limit my self to only part of tha
process to try and find goodies.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
I use only single tone Tesoro'es.
I use tha machine to hunt with. I use
tha disc, I use coil highth, I use angle
of approach and techniques that I can
not explain because it is on more of a
subconcious level.
All these things are put togather in a fluid
motion so that it seem as though I'm just
waving tha coil around a little.
I would not limit my self to only part of tha
process to try and find goodies.
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
Sven
Well-known member
about telling the difference between targets with a single tone detector.
After you have put in a lot of time with a particular detector, you can start to tell subtle differences when your going over a target. It's a little tougher with a fast retune detector. It took me about 30 minutes to see a difference between a nickle and a dime.
To learn how a detector handles different items I would always take a new detector to a school yard where there are many targets.
Most being shallow with a wide variation of them. And just dig, dig, dig, after awhile you get a good idea whats buried. Analyze the target before digging. Is it a short beep, a long beep, crisp short beep, a fuzzy beep. With the Cibola, press the pinpoint button, sweep over the target, most coins will have a short crisp beep with a higher tone sound, a nickle will be a little lower and just a tad fuzzy. Deeper dimes could be a tad fuzzy but distinct sound. Also, raise the coil above the target, if the sound remains the same, it could be a coin on the surface. Raise the coil higher, if the sound it still remains the same, it's probably big size junk, shallow or deep.
After detecting for 38 years........................you'll get it. Some hobbists never get it...like my wife, it all sounds the same. She's better off with a multitone detector.
Oh, back to my original sentence. Your detector responds with variations of a beep, depending upon the target:
eeebeeep
beep
beeep
abep
ebep
beeeeeee
beep beep
baeep
I think you will get the idea, these are the codes your brain has to figure out. The more targets you can dig in a short period of time, the faster your brain can be rewired to sort them out. And it does help to have a high quality headsets to be able to hear the sounds.
It's mighty cold down here today, if it warms and dries up a bit, I'll take the Cibola out this afternoon. My brain needs more education.
Another thought, many many hobbists, never gets to learn the sounds, they don't put the time in. Then decide the detector doesn't fit them. Then switch to another brand, model, this goes on and on and they complain all the way that, that detector is not any good, etc.
I love my Cibola, it gets the job done. For applications that it can't handle.....I have another detector
After you have put in a lot of time with a particular detector, you can start to tell subtle differences when your going over a target. It's a little tougher with a fast retune detector. It took me about 30 minutes to see a difference between a nickle and a dime.
To learn how a detector handles different items I would always take a new detector to a school yard where there are many targets.
Most being shallow with a wide variation of them. And just dig, dig, dig, after awhile you get a good idea whats buried. Analyze the target before digging. Is it a short beep, a long beep, crisp short beep, a fuzzy beep. With the Cibola, press the pinpoint button, sweep over the target, most coins will have a short crisp beep with a higher tone sound, a nickle will be a little lower and just a tad fuzzy. Deeper dimes could be a tad fuzzy but distinct sound. Also, raise the coil above the target, if the sound remains the same, it could be a coin on the surface. Raise the coil higher, if the sound it still remains the same, it's probably big size junk, shallow or deep.
After detecting for 38 years........................you'll get it. Some hobbists never get it...like my wife, it all sounds the same. She's better off with a multitone detector.
Oh, back to my original sentence. Your detector responds with variations of a beep, depending upon the target:
eeebeeep
beep
beeep
abep
ebep
beeeeeee
beep beep
baeep
I think you will get the idea, these are the codes your brain has to figure out. The more targets you can dig in a short period of time, the faster your brain can be rewired to sort them out. And it does help to have a high quality headsets to be able to hear the sounds.
It's mighty cold down here today, if it warms and dries up a bit, I'll take the Cibola out this afternoon. My brain needs more education.
Another thought, many many hobbists, never gets to learn the sounds, they don't put the time in. Then decide the detector doesn't fit them. Then switch to another brand, model, this goes on and on and they complain all the way that, that detector is not any good, etc.
I love my Cibola, it gets the job done. For applications that it can't handle.....I have another detector
Sven thanks for the tips, I love my Cibola, and will never get rid of it,, I see the potential in it once I get to know it like the back of my hand. I think I have finally figured it out,, I have been looking for the wrong things to understand what the Cibola says.. Its talking greek and Ive been listening in chinese. I am going to start paying more attention to the DURATION and Density of the sounds, rather than the pitch of the tone. I have been spending plenty of time with the Cibola, and have learned some things,, so I guess it takes time. I learned that a coin at or near the surface will give a double beep. Thanks Steve
Hay Steve,
That double beep is on top.
At about 3 or 4 inches it reaches a sweet spot
where it sounds tha best and pin points great.
From that spot it gets smoother and longer as
it gets deeper.
That's for depth.
Depth sounds coupled with other response
charistics can tell you things like tha size
of tha target. That info added to other indicators
gives more indication whether to dig or not.
It's tha sound and tha disc and tha way it
changes with tha rise of tha coil.
As I said, I can not explain it all. But it becomes
second nature after a while.
Good luck.
We are all on a learnin curve here,
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
That double beep is on top.
At about 3 or 4 inches it reaches a sweet spot
where it sounds tha best and pin points great.
From that spot it gets smoother and longer as
it gets deeper.
That's for depth.
Depth sounds coupled with other response
charistics can tell you things like tha size
of tha target. That info added to other indicators
gives more indication whether to dig or not.
It's tha sound and tha disc and tha way it
changes with tha rise of tha coil.
As I said, I can not explain it all. But it becomes
second nature after a while.
Good luck.
We are all on a learnin curve here,
Happy Huntin,
Tabdog
I appreciate all you guys say. I DO remember one guy who did this years ago and I especially ONE statement he made to me-"I was gonna leave the target in the ground 'cause it sounded like a pulltab-I'm glad I didn't because it was a diamond ring". THAT has always stayed with me.
All this talk of "tones" interests me. There is a change in the response over trash or coins, but it is subtle. As has been mentioned, you have to practice a lot with it to make that distinction. So, I rarely worry about subtleties anymore. I just recover anything at nickle or above when I use the little beep-dig Tesoros.
I have noted that pulltabs tend to fade faster as you raise your coil. They hit hard but lift the coil a bit and they get iffy.
Foil reacts in a similar fashion. Canslaw gives blasting responses that cut off fast. Coins don't do that.... they are almost always smooth.
Also, most of this is site dependent. Each site is a little different; until you learn the "trash suite" on a particular site, you should recover targets when your detector responds.
There is an alternative not mentioned so far: Abandon all the fuss over tones, subtleties and what not and just pivot around two points: Foil and screwcaps.
a. Leave the DISC control around the notch below nickle. If it signals... Dig
b. If you must twiddle the DISC knob, then watch for it to cut out around screwcap. If it still signals there ... Dig
Anything that signals in between is gonna be a tab, or something that looks like one. Pretty simple.
I mark my DISC control with a dab of bright paint at nickle cut-off and screwcap cut-off. I usually only get up to screwcap range when I'm on a tab infested site. Most of the time I just recover anything that beeps above foil.
One last thing - If you really want tones that are meaningful, get a Golden.
I have noted that pulltabs tend to fade faster as you raise your coil. They hit hard but lift the coil a bit and they get iffy.
Foil reacts in a similar fashion. Canslaw gives blasting responses that cut off fast. Coins don't do that.... they are almost always smooth.
Also, most of this is site dependent. Each site is a little different; until you learn the "trash suite" on a particular site, you should recover targets when your detector responds.
There is an alternative not mentioned so far: Abandon all the fuss over tones, subtleties and what not and just pivot around two points: Foil and screwcaps.
a. Leave the DISC control around the notch below nickle. If it signals... Dig
b. If you must twiddle the DISC knob, then watch for it to cut out around screwcap. If it still signals there ... Dig
Anything that signals in between is gonna be a tab, or something that looks like one. Pretty simple.
I mark my DISC control with a dab of bright paint at nickle cut-off and screwcap cut-off. I usually only get up to screwcap range when I'm on a tab infested site. Most of the time I just recover anything that beeps above foil.
One last thing - If you really want tones that are meaningful, get a Golden.