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thinking about getting a minelab, help me out

Goes4ever

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I am thinking about getting a minelab, but not sure which one. Possibly a X-Terra 70 or the Explorer SE
can you give me your opinions or which is better and why? I know there is a huge difference in price and that is one reason I can't decide which one I want to save up for. Is the Explorer that MUCH better to be that more $$$

any opinions are appreciated!!
 
Hi, Goes4ever,

I was in the same situation not long ago. I was using a Garrett GTP 1350 and an Ace 250 an really liking both. The 1350 is a great machine but the weight would bother me after awhile and I think I was relying on the size profiling too often leaving good relics in the ground. I wanted the same or better performance in a lighter package. I think I definitely got that with the XT-70. The 1350 has been put into storage for now and the Ace is a fine backup and my main playground sweeper. I considered the Explorer but didn't really want to muscle it around. I will get one if Minelab builds a light weight "Explorer-lite". But, for now, the XT-70 is one fantastic machine. I hope this helps. I DON'T regret my decision even a little bit.

Hart
 
Well when I was buying my detector I did not look at the Explorer SE. It was just to much $$ for me. I really like my X-Terra very light, easy to learn, but allows for room to grow on. IMHO I think the X-70 will find all you want and more, Beale.
 
I love my X-70 because it is easy to use and very light! I have shoulder and neck problems, so it was perfect for me. If you are looking for coins that are really deep then spend the extra money, but if you want to find great stuff and give up some depth the X-70 is a great machine, and I think it hunts a little faster. JMO

cb
 
I'm an ace 250 owner and I just got the x-terra 70. I love my ace but this new machine is amazing. Thought about the garrett target imaging system and I'm glad I didn't get it . Watch the owners video on the FAQ section at the top. You will be hooked.[size=medium][/size]
 
I've owned and hunted with several Explorer models, as well as all three X-Terras. And frankly, there are many similarities. Before I tell you what it is that puts the X-Terra at the top of my list, let me tell you what I think of the Explorer. The 28 frequency Explorer has, without a doubt, the most refined target analyzation circuitry available. Combining the ability to display both ferrous and conductive readings is unique to the Explorer. The Explorer, when set properly and operated by someone who understands those settings, can be one of the deepest coin detectors in the marketplace. The downside for some is not knowing how to set their machine at optimum performance, for a given site. All detectors have somewhat of a learning curve. But the Explorer has so many variable settings that many people are either intimidated by them. Or, they start tweaking them without realizing that they are creating more harm than good. I enjoyed using my Explorers when my health was better. :stretcher: These days, I find that the Explorer's balance is just too much for this crippled old body to handle.

The single frequency X-Terra 70 VLF detector is also unique in the marketplace, due to the ability to utilize 3 different frequencies of coils. Coming with a standard 9-inch concentric at 7.5 kHz, it serves the needs of coinshooters and relic hunters alike. When you add in one of the 18.75 kHz coils, Prospecting for gold can be added to that list. Particularly with the 6-inch DD at 18.75 kHz. Personally, I like the 9-inch concentric at 3 kHz, for hunting old farmsites. I think all three of the 9-inch concentrics offer comparable depth. But the distinct low tone produced by deep iron targets, when running multi-tone and all metal, makes hunting those old farmsites more productive. Beach hunters seem to do well with the 6 X 10 elliptical DD at 18.75. As with those who prospect, the higher frequencies are better in-tune with gold. For coin hunting in yards and parks, it is tough to beat either of the 6-inch coils. Although the 6-inch concentric at 7.5 kHz serves me well. I usually opt for the 6-inch DD at 18.75 kHz, for the separation characteristics offered by the DD design. Many serious relic hunters sing the praises of the 10-inch DD coils, with the 7.5 kHz version getting the most attention.

The X-Terra is lightweight and very well balanced. It can operate for 35 - 40 hours on four AA batteries and has a very forgiving sweep speed. It offers an adjustable threshold and separate volume settings for use with, or without headphones. The X-70 offers a Coin / Treasure mode that provides an all metal hunt mode, as well as 3 separate Patterns. Each of these patterns can be adjusted to either accept or reject any (or all) of the 28 notch segments. There is a pinpoint mode that helps isolate targets and estimates depth. Instead, I prefer to use the Prospecting mode (with Iron Mask Discrimination) to pinpoint and assist me with determining the size and shape of the target. To properly ground balance the X-terra 70, you have your choice of Auto GB, Manual GB or Track mode. It offers automatic Noise Cancel channels and a fully adjustable Sensitivity control. And, if you like to hunt beaches, there is even a Beach Mode. You can set the audio of the X-70 to report targets in one tone, two tones, three tones, four tones or even a multi-tone mode (28 tones). Like the Explorer, tone ID will greatly enhance your detecting productivity. The two-digit notch system leaves very little margin of error in target ID. I know some folks make posts about how certain trash targets come in where they expected to find a coin. But after 36 years of detecting, I'll tell you that happens with all detectors. The key to having success in this hobby is learning your detector, setting it properly for the site you are hunting and simply enjoying the hunt. The X-Terra makes short work of the first two. Which makes the last one come natural. JMHO HH Randy
 
wow thanks for all the info!!! can anyone here tell me just how deep the X-terra 70 is capable at finding coins? With the ace250 I think I am losing a lot of stuff because it does not go deep enough. I live in an area of Ohio that used to be the black swamp and stuff sinks fast. I need more depth than the ace can handle IMHO
 
It will down to what you are looking for in a detector. Do you want a light weight machine, or something that has better discrimination. the 2 number ID system is the most accurate that you will come across, but like all detectors, can be fooled. the Explorer has a larger coil selection albeit that they are all DD coils.
These 2 detectors have the most pleasant audio system of the market.
The X-Terra, due to it's faster recovery speed, can cover more ground than the Explorer when the ground gets trashier. it is also an easy machine to master and the SE will take a longer time to learn. listening to the audio for smooth even tones also help IDing coins with the Explorer. I have ID coins that were several numbers off it's normal ID by doing that. The X-Terra's tones are also reasonable, but not as good as the Explorers at doing this.
Which ever machine that you select, you will really enjoy either of them. If you can, get into a dealer who has both in stock and play around with them (taking your own good and bad targets to check them out).
Mick Evans.
 
If the ground is neutral, the the Ace is about an inch deeper than my X-Terra30, however, if the prospecting mode is selected, then the X-Terra will go deeper than it would if it was in coin mode. The folks here who have the 70, can tell you the difference.
Mick Evans.
 
Mick in Dubbo said:
If the ground is neutral, the the Ace is about an inch deeper than my X-Terra30, however, if the prospecting mode is selected, then the X-Terra will go deeper than it would if it was in coin mode. The folks here who have the 70, can tell you the difference.
Mick Evans.
but if comparing the x-terra to the ace250...................??

you compared the ace to the x-terra 30

I am thinking about the 70, wouldn't it blow away the ace in depth on coins??
 
I am still fairly new to the XT-70 but I seem to be hitting up to 2 inches deeper with the 70 in the same ground when comparing the XT-70 9" stock coil and the Ace 9x12". What I have noticed that makes the big difference is that the deeper targets are less "iffy" and hit a little harder with the 70 so I guestion the signals less and dig more often with success. I feel that when my abilities with the 70 improve I will hopefully gain up to three inches over the Ace when using comparable coils. My deepest relic recovery with the 70 in mild to moderate Indiana soil was just barely at ten inches. Deepest coin recovery was a quarter at a solid eight inches with the 9 inch concentric 3 khz coil.

With any luck, Minelab will release a 12" to 15" 3khz coil for some real deep seeking fun. Are you listening Minelab?
 
That will depend on how much more depth that the prospecting mode gives you. If Kenny did some depth tests with his Ace and compared it to the 70, then that will give you some accurate information. I can only give you feed back on what I have. I have carried out tests at the same time using the Ace, the X-Terra 30 and the XS Explorer. I used a $2 coin(which is about a millimetre larger than a zinc penny) as the test coin. With full sensitivity, with the following results. (tests carried out were air tests and in wet and dry beach sand.)
X-Terra 30 with standard coil= 7in. With 10.5in round DD coil=8in.
Ace250 with standard coil=8in. With large coil=10in
XS Explorer with standard 10.5in DD coil=9in.
I only had the large coils with me when I was at the beach, but the results were identical to air tests.
In wet sand, I retested all detectors with there sensitivity set at 75% on all of them.
X-Terra 30 with DD coil=4in
Ace with large coil=5in.
XS Explorer was unaffected by the wet sand and I didn't bother going past 6inches with it, as I realised that It would have gotten 9 inches anyway.
The Prospecting mode from accounts that I've read here previously, will increase the depth over the 30, not to mention that it is equipped with ground balance circuitry. Being a VLF machine, it will still lose out on depth though in wet sand, but I don't know how much.
I'm not normally concerned with depth myself as most coins are in the top 4 inches anyway, and I use a screw driver as my main recovery tool. If I were to hunt in places that didn't have lawn, then depth would become of more value to me. I was curious as to the difference myself, and all I can do; is post you the results of what I have found.
I included the explorer results because you were asking questions about it. BTW the Explorers have one of the largest range of coils available to any coin hunting detector. I think that only Whites produce anywhere near the variety of coils of the Explorer. Also, from what I can gather, the SE won't go any deeper than the XS, just in case you were going to ask.
Mick Evans.
 
Hi I own and use both the Explorer and the Xterra 70. To compare the two as coin machines there is no comparison the Explorer with its better target ID, discrimination, pin pointing.depth, ground balance, auto sensitivity,plus storage of your own personal detecting patterns and target seperation eg fast mode.digital readout of ferrous and conductivity for better target identification.I could go on. My wife uses the Xterra gets a signal and calls me over with the Explorer to identify whether it is a good target or not.. The individual segments and numbers on the Terras digital display are not accurate, You might set it up to accept say number 30 and reject 32 and 28 then go to use it and number 30 is rejected. The other problem with this is you finish up setting the machine up to accept additional numbers eg if you want it to accept all the number 30 items you finish up having to accept 28 and 32 as well. Then you finish up digging a lot of extra rubbish items which have now been allowed in because of the wider accepted area. People bag the Explorer saying it is a hard machine to master, the machine can be as easy or hard as you make it.It has its own preset factory settings all you have to do is turn it on and start detecting.You also have the options to set the machine to your own preferences, this is not hard to do like any detector it all comes with experience.
The good thing I like about the Exterra it is a multi purpose machine it can be used for prospecting, relic hunting and coin hunting. For a multi purpose detector they are good value for money but you only get what you pay for.The standard concentric coil which comes with the machine is a bit lacking in that for coins it does not cover a big enough and when it comes to pinpointing it is all over the place not pin pointing accurately. It should have a eliptical dd coil fitted as standard.
The main complaint of explorer users is the weight, I use a shoulder harness and bungycord on mine and have no problems at all. I have been detecting for about fifteen yrs using mainly minelab detectors and have owned the explorer xs and explorer 2 since they were introduces around 2000. they are without doubt the best machine on the market and well worth the extra few dollars to buy. seeya Neilo
 
I agree with quite a bit of of what you said about the Explorer. I'm not sure how acquiring and maintaining a proper ground balance could be any better than the X-70, with Auto GB and Tracking. But agree that the Explorer's ability to analyze both ferrous and conductivity greatly enhances the discrimination capabilities. I also disagree with what you said about pinpointing and setting the notches on the X-Terra. I have three X-Terras and every coil manufactured. And without exception, every detector/coil combination pinpoints just fine. As well, setting individual notches couldn't be easier or more precise. Pinpointing takes a bit of practice, depending on the type of coil you are using. But if you are having problems setting notches as you indicated, you either have a bad unit or you are not doing it correctly. JMHO HH Randy
 
In my moderately mineralized Iowa soil, the X-Terra does blow away the Ace 250. Not just in depth. And not just in the Prospecting mode. Even in the C/T modes, the X-Terra is deeper, more sensitive to small targets, separates targets much better, provides much more accurate TID information, provides more flexibility in every aspect of setting up the detector to match the site conditions and offers more functionality and coil choices than the Ace 250. With the stock 9-inch concentric at 7.5 kHz, I get a solid hit on a quarter at 11 inches. You already know what your Ace 250 will do. HH Randy
 
Randy I use the exterra in lawned parks where you need to pinpoint down to about a square inch. The concentric coil in pinpoint mode narrows the area to about six square inches or more depending on the depth of the target. the shallower the target the more inaccurate it is. A target very close to the coil will be well outside the centre of the coil yet the digital circle display on the panel shows a complete full circle plus the loud tone indication which as you know is supposed to tell you the target is dead centre of the coil. By lifting the coil it does help to get a more accurate reading. seeya Neilo .
 
My concentric coils don't pinpoint down to within one-inch. But by Xing over it from several directions, I do get the target within the "confines" of the inner winding. And for most of the places I hunt, digging a hole that diameter is not a problem. I understand, however, that more precision is required for some sites.
As I've stated many times, I seldom (never) use the Pinpoint mode to determine the location of a target. I might use it to get a guesstimate on the depth. But for determining the target location, I prefer to simply X over it in the hunt mode. Or, if I want to really isolate the target, I use the Prospecting mode. I've never really discussed why, other than mention that the Prospecting mode allows me to better analyze the size and shape of a target. But there is more to it than that. In the Pinpoint mode, the audio signal will disappear as you raise your coil. In other words, if you sweep your coil over the target at ground level, when you raise the coil to an inch or so, (to narrow it down) you lose the audio response. Eventually it comes back by giving the detector a few seconds to reset. But for those few seconds, the deepest you will be able to "pinpoint" is that distance you had when the coil was nearest the target. With the Prospecting mode, that "reset time" is nearly instantaneous.
You can compare this yourself with a simple airtest. Set your detector to a C/T hunt mode and sweep over a target placed on the ground. Make sure there are no other targets in the immediate area. As you sweep over the target from a multitude of directions, you will see that the coin always provides the "beep" when it is centered in the small winding of the concentric coil. Like I said, in the places I hunt, that is close enough. But in the instance you described, where you need to pinpoint down to a square inch, simply Xing over the target will not be close enough. Those are times we need something that will give us a precise pinpoint. So, back to our experiment..... switch your detector to the Pinpoint mode and sweep the coil over the target from a height of about 6 inches. Keep sweeping the coil back and forth, noticing how the audio "width" is very similar to that in the hunt mode. Just a different sound. While still sweeping back and forth, slowly lower the coil, noting that the audio tone remains contained within the diameter of the receive winding. (or reasonably close) When you get the coil to a distance of a couple inches from the target, keep sweeping it and raise it back up to the 5 or 6 inch level. Notice how there is no audio report at all? If you a few seconds, it will come back. But I want an audio signal that gets more "narrow" as I raise the coil. And, I don't have the patience to wait for the detector to "reset" the pinpoint parameters every time I try to pinpoint a target. That is why I use the Prospecting mode. It is extremely fast to reset, regardless of whether the previous sweep was closer to the target, or farther away. And, the audio report is crisp, clean and allows me to narrow the target down to a "window" so small, I can usually touch the coin with a fiber probe. JMHO HH Randy
 
I scratched 4 of 7 coins yesterday while playing in a local park and digging with a small garden spade, I thought my shovel might raise eyebrows.
Seriously most of the time the coin was either just in the plug or worse in the side of the hole. Three times I hit them squarely with the spade. That hurts. PPing with the stock concentric coil does seem a little more erratic than simple operator error. I have used prospecting mode just to verify a deep target but not to pinpoint. I will have to PP with that in future.

My shovel, a German trenching tool ca. 1964 and heavy, cuts a sod that is big enough not to have this problem and PPing with the 10.5" DD seems much more accurate. If I whack a coin with it is is operator area! Patience!

Amongst the 5 Canadian cents I found a 1977 Canadian quarter and a Phillipine 5 centavo coin which I did not scratch. The quarter gave a very funny range of TID #s but prospect mode gave a good non-ferrous indication so I dug it.(99.9% nickel). Scratched!

HH 1859
 
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