The truth hurts...

[jbow]

OK, so I found a couple of vacant lots last week. First I hunted it with my T2, I did not have my F75 yet. I found a few pennies, one was wheatie. Two silver quarters and a mercury dime with the T2. I got the F75 and hunted the same area where I found the silver and the pennies, the area is about 800 sq ft. I found a few more pennies, (no zincers), and three nickles, one was a buffalo. I hit the area four times on four different days with the F75.
I went back today for about an hour and hit the same spot again with my Tejon using the 5.75" coil and found two pieces of lead that I should have found with any machine. They are the two odd shapes in the upper left of the picture. Then a piece of mystery metal next to them. I found another quarter with a four inch square nail about five inches away from it, the nail is on the left next to the quarter. Another dime, next to the quarter. Another nickle with a nut in the same hole. All these out of the same 800 sq ft area. Then under an old clothesline that I have hit at least three times, once with the T2 and twice with the F75... I found the token there.
Then there is a place over on the other side of the property that is absolutely loaded with bottle caps and trash. It is a smaller area, maybe 200 sq ft. I tried hunting it with the F75 and gave up because I had a signal every few inches. I spent about five minutes there with the Tejon's disc maxed and pulled an older memorial cent, next to the token in the picture.

Yes, we need a small coil for the F75 but I am not convinced that the samller coil will make it as useful as the Tejon with the small coil just because the Tejon is so much quieter, I am willing to be convinced though.

J

Pic from today with the Tejon...

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[jim tn]

What did the 75 id those targets at for you not to decide to dig and what did the Tejon id them at for you to decide to dig? I'm not defending the f75, I am just curious. Thanks & HH jim tn

 

[tab-nabit]

Interesting - goes to show no one machine will do it all. Thats the nice thing about having more than one high end machine - and coils of different sizes. I really like the Tejon from the start and the 5.75 coils works well. My most recent machine is the F-75 and I don't really have the time put into it to provide any opinions. WTG...

 

[Jason in TN]

Bet you can go back to the 800ft area and get just one or two more coins with the 75 you missed with the tesoro. You never get it all. I still pull bullets out of a civil war camp that has been hunted with every machine out over the last 10 years.

 

[jbow]

I have no idea what the F75 id was,whatever it was, it was not something that made me dig. The Tejon id was correct on the coins and on the lead it was in the pulltab range but it sounded "good". I know that "good" is subjective but the Tejon has alway's been that way to me. Sometimes I do not know why it find's things, but it does.

J

 

[jbow]

Oh, I will. Also I am going to take both the Tejon and the F75 and if i hit something else there with the Tejon I am going to check it wit the F75.
I am by no means giving up on the F75, it is a beast. It's just in some places I think the Tejon w/5.75 coil is better.

Thanks,
Julien

 

[jbow]

Yep, that's why we have more than one machine.

I am going to do some field comparisions, using the F75, T2, Cortes, and Tejon.

I hope that when we get a small coil for the F75 they give us a choice between a concentric and a DD.

J

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

Mabye you should hunt with one tone with the F75 or in all metal and see what it hits on?

 

[Idaho-Marke]

n/t

 

[jbow]

I do. I hunt both AM and 1 tone with disc on 6 but sometime I hunt in other tone settings. Mostly my disc is either 6, 10, or 15.

I am not dissmissing the F75 by any means. Just reporting what happened. I am not through on that site and am going to do a good bit of comparision with two and three machines, finding signals, marking them and them checking them with all the machines to get a better idea of what is going on.

I'll let you know.

J

 

[jbow]

I think that the only weakness in the F75 is in the mind of the user when the ground is so full of trash that good signals are missed due to the sheer flood of information coming through the phones.

I think I am going to try using the F75 without looking at the display until I have a signal that I am ready to dig. I don't know if I can do that, but if I can, I think it will help me to be better with it.

J

 

[Bobbylikesgold]

Nice to see an orneriest report, keep telling it please.

Regards Bob..

 

[jim tn]

I usually coin hunt in 3h and 4h tones as I like finding Buffalo and v nickels and I seldom watch the screen myself, until I get a high tone. Unless, though, I'm hunting a site that may have IH cents as some of those will give mid tones and id lower. Although I do feel the 75 does number id pretty darn well, it is by no means 100% accurate all the time. Depth of target, closeness of another target, ground conditions and accurate pinpointing are all factors. And, particularly in the nickel range, there simply are some trash targets that flat id as nickels. Anyway, as already has been stated, no one machine does it all and as proficient in our searching as we might be, neither do we get it all. HH jim tn

 

[Streak!]

I've found over the years that most target finds that are attributed to a specific machine are found for mostly one reason. They were walked over. Its the same old story. A guy gets a new machine, goes back to an old spot, and raves about the things the machine got that the old one missed. The truth is, in most cases, the machine DIDNT miss it, the hunter did! Case in point. I have a little site some ways away from here that has been hunted for thirty years with many many different machines. (AND hunters)For about 10 years a couple of guys got a room next door and hunted it for a couple of weeks off an on. The site is maybe 40-50 feet wide, and 150 feet deep. Its an old academy lot, and has produced hundreds of nice targets over the years. Last fall I took my girlfriend there for an afternoon, and she kicked my butt with her lowley IDX pro. She got a LC, a nice silver three center, and a handful of musketballs (it was a 1779 fort site too). My point is, a lot of good and experienced hunters dug here for YEARS, in a very small spot, and STILL missed a number of nice targets. I dont care what you use, or how good you are, you STILL have to walk over it, hit it just right with your coil to get a diggible response, and then DIG it!
it also sounds like you dont have too much time on the 75 yet. Wait till you get a few hundred hours on it, and then let me know what you think of it. I've used many many different kinds of machines, and have never found a machine to date that has the sheer separation and recovery qualities the 75 has. The trick here is to put the hours in to learn what its tellin ya. you obviously have much more time on the tesoro, so its a nobrainer you've learned its language pretty well. You need to put that kind of time on the 75 before you can make meaningful comparisons.
One of the things that screws most coinshooters up with the 75 is that it averages UP instead of down like most machines. That will make it report targets higher than they really are sometimes, but it also allows you to hear and dig targets that you'd likely pass over with something else. Then there is the audio overload that can be a pain to handle if your used to a relatively quiet machine. Your right about one thing though. A smaller coil IS needed for the 75, just like every other machine out there needs one. Still, I think it has much better separation and FE "see through" than most machines do even WITH the smaller coil.. just my ever so humble opinion. Streak!

 

[jbow]

True.

I already know the language, i've used a T2 for over a year. So I am used to the language. I agree however, I have a lot to do with it. I went back today and decided to hunt it again with the F75. My first signal was a pocket knife, it read like a pulltab. I dug one more silver dime, some bronze pennies, and some kind of round thing that say's 1/4, 1/2. and full. It is about twice the size of a quarter with a hole in the middle. I don't have a pic yet. Then I went over to a place that I have been hunting for 2 years, didn't find anything there except several pieces of foil. I was hoping for some gold but got foil...

Today I went slower and dug some signals that weren't obviously "good". Otherwise I would not have dug the pocketknife.

One thing I know for sure is that the F75 is a better machine than the T2 and the T2 is no slouch...

The only thing I would change about the F75/T2 is the falsing that you get in heavy trash and bad ground.. but then it probably wouldn't be the monster that it is. I just don't like spending so much time going over falses to check them. It does not do it on every site though. I'm trying to decide if it false's more with a fast or slow swing, i'm not sure it matters though. I have tried lowering the sens but then it only falses quieter. It isn't a big problem though...

I love my F75!

J