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The quest for the perfect detector

Hightone

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After 7 months of playing, prodding, reading and trading, I have become content on having all I need for my detecting hobby. Knowing that there is no perfect or best detector, each of us has their own needs as to what would be the ideal unit and set up. Many posts on the forums I have visited have the typical "which is deepest" or "which is best for $$$" posts which there is no true answer for. Buying detectors are a lot like buying cars in the respect that they all get you from point A to point B, it's how you want to travel. Some have the creature comforts and some don't, some are less expensive, some are better for tall occupants, some are faster, some use more gas, etc.

Because there is so many diversities, what's good for one may not be good for others. The trend that I see, is that every detector has been sold on eBay by people that have used it only 4 or 5 times. This could be becuase people just didn't get into the hobby, but many times it would appear that the detector just wasn't their ideal unit. This can be an expensive hobby if all people do is buy and sell looking for that ideal detector. After all, most of us can't just go into the store and try out the different units to see which one suits our needs and works to our liking.

I can see the enjoyment one gets when their new detector (traded or bought) arrives and the excitement one feels to take it out and see how well it does. But after using the unit for X amount of hours and playing with air tests, if the unit shows that it can get coins, jewelry, etc. quite well at 6", and you read a post that someone pulled up an Indian Head at 10", you get the feeling your unit is sub standard and you want to be able to do that also. So it's off to the races to get something a little better.

It's human nature to want the best. Whats best for one may not be best for another. I have come to the conclusion that there is no unit I can get that will do it all. A high end MineLab might be the deepest, but it is expensive and heavy. A Tesoro with a HOT coil might be lighter and less expensive, but I want a target and depth visual ID. The light, inexpensive, deep, 4 tone, TID with fast recovery rate, auto ground balanced, DISC or true all metal mode, lighted display detector just doesn't exist. At least for me.

So I figure I am at the point where I have what I want and need. I have really gotten into my Deleon. It is my main detector in that I fist bought a Bandido uMax off of ebay for $235. I traded that for a CXIII with 2 coils, then tarded that for the Deleon with 2 coils. With the shipping on both, I have a $275 Deleon with 2 coils.

My back up is my original Ace 250 with 2 coils. $210 plus $60 for the sniper. Total for all is $550. Since I am not in a highly mineralized area, the ground balance is not as important. One machine has true all metal, both have TID, the Ace is quite light and the Deleon is light for what it does, both have great depth, though not the deepest, both use AA batteries, each has it's own discrimination type, I don't hunt at night, so a lighted display is not necessary, I don't competition hunt so I don't need the different frequency switch. For me, this is perfect. For someone else, probably not.

The perfect detector is only true in the wants and needs of the operator, not in what everyone else thinks is perfect or best. Find your own needs first, then you can determine what is your perfect detector.

Now, excuse me while I get really good at using my set up.

Just my thoughts,

Dan
 
Well said, Dan. As usual. You are a real Socrates, there, bud.
 
Nice post Dan. Hey did you see that new GPR handheld self digging coin magnet machine!!!!! (just kidding) I'm still in the searching stages for that perfect machine- glad you've found what you needed!!!
Greg
 
well said Dan excellent post.But the truth of the matter still exists
some machines actually are deeper than others and there are those who would just like to know. Curiosity is human nature.
 
Or a better question is "how deep do you want to go?"


A person that has detected for awhile and has been getting most of their targets at 6", may want to now spend the money to get a deeper unit and retrace his tracks, or now want the deeper targets.

A person getting their first detector that is looking for depth over usability, may get discouraged because not only is the trash making it harder to learn, but the deeper targets are adding to the confusion.

Remember, the deeper you go, the more narrow the field becomes. An 8" coil is not giving you an 8" field at 6". It's more like 3 or 4. At 8" it's more like 2 or 3 or even less. TID, if you use one, has a hard time IDing at greater depths. A larger coil tries to get deeper in depth, but is best left for relics, as mentioned here.
 
I am satisfied with the Tejon. My only wish is that it had a fixed ground balance along with the manual balance like the U.K. Laser Trident and the Troy X-5. With that option it would be perfect enough for this old relic hunter. :biggrin:
 
two things that confuse me about that chart. One is how come it says
a 8 inch coil can only go 9 inches deep and you know a tejon with a
8 inch coil can go deeper than that. And two it says a 12 inch coil
will go no deeper than the 9 inch but with a larger target it will go twice as deep. that is contradicting itself
 
i agree it would be perfect even if it were on the vaquero. may you can help with the chart in this post it doesn't make sense to me.
saying a 8 inch coil such as on the tejon will only go 9 inches deep
i know the tejon can go deeper than that
 
There is more sensitivity in the center of the coil (which, at it's peak, you pinpoint the strongest signal). If you were to grab the deepest point in the center, and pull down on it, the sides would start coming into the center, creating a slimmer (so to speak) but slightly deeper field. Remember that the receiver coil is in the center, and the graph is only showing what is receieved, not transmitted. If you could see the field of transmission, it would extend much more out to the sides and show transmitted depth at closer to 2-3 feet.

To get 12" depth in the graph, you would have to scan in 1 or 2 inch increments to fully cover and area. At 7 or 8 inches, your field of reception is much wider, meaning you can cover a greater area with one sweep of the coil.

My point is, you may be getting deeper, but you will have to move at a snails pace to make sure you are getting full coverage at 12". It's a give and take.

The graph goes on to say, that the larger imaging coil, though it may be deeper, looses it's imaging ability. That combined with the weight of the coil, makes it almost useless over the 8" coil.

The sniper, being the most shallow, doesn't quite get the depth of the 8", but gets pretty close, and narrows the ID field for stability in target ID while filling 70% of the field that the 8" coil provides.

The law of physics is dictating that the further down you receive the transmitted signal, the less the character of that signal is returned, making the processor work harder to try to figure out how to display what it is receiving. Get some minerals in the ground and that just added to the factor, which is why GB helps to an extent.

Because someone said they found a coin at 12", doesn't mean they can find ALL coins at 12". But a stable wider field at 6 to 8 inches means you can probably find most coins at that depth and at an easier, faster pace of sweep speed.
 
Very well said, Hightone.
 
Decided to sell the 250 and get more coils for the Deleon. Reason?

I have a hard enough time getting good with one detector, more or less two. I never use it anyways. My wife does sometimes, but she suggested building up the Deleon (since I am not as avid as most here). I ageed, so will put the Ace and sniper up for sale this weekend.

(sigh) Just when you think your there, things change. This hobby is driving me nuts.
:rolleyes:

Dan
 
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