The Nox lost today...

[jkline]

Yesterday evening went back to a usual haunt and wandered with the 800-- park1 Andy S. I hit a wheat, then gridded out from there until dusk-- total of 4 wheats and misc clad. Wasn't until I got home that I discovered one of those wheats was a '06 Indian. Damned cool, as I haven't found many of those-- it rang up like the other wheats, not in the 19-22 range, that I've read they usually ring up as.

This morning I go back and hit the area again with the CTX and the Nox-- doublefisting it, so to speak. Quite educational-- the CTX hit more clad, each signal I would check with the Nox--- yep, somehow the Nox's swinger--me-- didn't get the coil over them. Moving on, the ctx hit a nice 12 45/46, and I'm thinking silver dime. I run the Nox over it, and it didn't even give an iffy signal. I dug, and out popped a '64 Rosie at 4"-- the distance from the tip of the pinpointer to the LED, I think that's 4" anyway.

You know that WTF feeling you get sometimes. I put the dime right back in its original position and reburied it. CTX gave a 12 45, Nox-- still not even an iffy signal. I scrolled through all the programs, played with settings, etc. It would only give a jumpy signal that ordinary I would have assumed deep iron and moved on.

Think what you will, just reporting the experience. My impression after 200 hours on the machine, is that it is weak on dimes, especially in very dry soil. I find that I have to progress at the same forward speed as my etrac/ctx, or I will definitely miss coins, especially dimes.

 

[Elmy]

new multi tones vrs fbs in dry soil ?......good report.....the truth is all we want...good or bad.

 

[fastdraw]

Very interesting... and it makes one think

 

[BigTony]

Jkline, good report thanks!
Did you try 4khz or were you in multi in all modes?
Tony

 

[Monkeys Uncle]

Just curious here...WISH you could have run a Vanquish over it...just for the fun of it. Keep us posted and HH!

 

[JimmyCT]

Not sure what your settings are….
However I have never found so many silver coins ( especially silver dimes) until I started hunting with the equinox 800.

 

[jkline]

@Big-- I ran each frequency in Park 1 and 2, then multi in the rest.

What is weird, is that just 40 yards away, the nox found a rosie (6"), a seated quarter (4") and a Merc (5"). It was very iffy on that seated. What I'm trying to understand is under what conditions is the machine not locking on to a good target.

What I have been learning, double swinging, is that we are all missing things: you might think your coil is covering 100%, but it isn't. I bet I'm only covering 70%, thinking it is 100.

With the Nox, I recommend going slow, and exploring every little high tone. If you aren't, you are missing things, especially dimes. I will say that one target, that was an iffy silver dime, both the nox and ctx picked up on what was a memorial, looking through 3 nails. That's pretty cool.

 

[still looking 52]

Jeff, you have to go with results, I've never used either detector your using but I know what I would do, go with the one that shows me the money.
I know my F5 wouldn't miss a 4" dime unless it was masked, that's consider low hanging fruit.

 

[jim tn]

I haven't had the Nox all that long, but I have learned you must hunt slooooow with it for best performance. Which, for me, is right down my alley....I like to just inch my way along. Of course, one doesn't know what he might be missing if one doesn't know somethings there. HH jim tn

 

[Ronstar]

I can attest to what Jeff is saying. A couple times I’ve gone back over where he has been, but at a different angle and time, and found dimes. Once, a month or two ago, we were back in the old military barracks/now apts and I hit a 36 Merc at 2-3”. I know he worked that area before and it shocked me it was that easy. But then again I had also walked over that same area before going from point A to B with the F75 and I didnt get it either. On this day I was running the F5 with 5” coil and nailed it. So is it operator error, angles, ground conditions, or alignment of the stars that has the greatest influence? And to be fair he’s followed my areas as well and found stuff I’ve missed.
The one biggest advantage (if any) that I have over him is that the Fisher prefers a faster swing speed than that of the Minelab. Altho I can cover ground faster I can’t go as slow as he does to hover over the target to identify (unless I’m in Stationary mode which I haven’t really tried yet).

 

[gunwolf]

great report... I bought and swung the Nox 800 for about 2-3 weeks before selling it... I have been using the E-trac FBS since 2010 so yeh.. the rate of speed is a real thing.. I can cruise and cover quite a bit of ground with my E-trac but had to go slow with the Nox or miss targets which I did... on a hunt with a guy using a CTX I was already 2 weeks in and we had a old house permission... I did my grid search over an area in park 1 stock settings... he followed me and pulled a huge Silver airforce ring at 4" and a 3cent nickel at 5" that I walked right over... I sold the Nox that week bought another E-trac and have not missed much since. my right arm is getting extremely buff compared my left though

 

[jkline]

@gun-- yah, thinking about selling mine. God, I love the weight, but it's big fail was the 'promise' of it making old ground new again.

The Nox isn't a crappy detector. Not hating on it-- it has found me silver. However, actual experimentation leads me to believe it isn't as good as the etrac/ctx.

 

[fwcrawford]

That is odd indeed why the Equinox would not respond to that silver dime...
I have had my Equinox for close to two years now and it has impressed me from day one... I have more confidence in that detector than any other detector I have owned or tried.
Like Jim ( aka earthlypotluck) posted above, I have never found as many silver coins as I have with this detector, and what is surprising is that many of them were not all that deep, gave very good signals, and these finds came from
sites that are mostly public that I have been detecting at for at least 10 years on and off.
I agree with your statement.. we all miss targets and think we are covering an area very good, but it does not take much to miss coins.
When I got my Equinox I was advised by Jim to swing slow.. actually not even swing, but more like scan.
I took his advice and using this method has been very productive for me.
As long as I am finding something, I do not have any problem going slow.. in my opinion that is why many of the coins I found are still there.. others swinging too fast.... just my opinion.
About that IH cent you found, I have found several with my Equinox and one in particular (an 1859) read a solid 16.
As best as I can remember the others read 19/20.

 

[fwcrawford]

I can attest to what Jeff is saying. A couple times I’ve gone back over where he has been, but at a different angle and time, and found dimes. Once, a month or two ago, we were back in the old military barracks/now apts and I hit a 36 Merc at 2-3”. I know he worked that area before and it shocked me it was that easy. But then again I had also walked over that same area before going from point A to B with the F75 and I didnt get it either. On this day I was running the F5 with 5” coil and nailed it. So is it operator error, angles, ground conditions, or alignment of the stars that has the greatest influence? And to be fair he’s followed my areas as well and found stuff I’ve missed.
The one biggest advantage (if any) that I have over him is that the Fisher prefers a faster swing speed than that of the Minelab. Altho I can cover ground faster I can’t go as slow as he does to hover over the target to identify (unless I’m in Stationary mode which I haven’t really tried yet).

I remember searching around an old house some years ago two times thinking I had covered it pretty good and went in there one day with my buddy to try it again... we were searching and still making a few finds when he decided to move to another area of the yard to try.
I then went over to where he had just searched and found an 1861 Seated half dollar only about 2" deep.
I had missed it on two previous trips and my buddy missed it just before I found it.
In short... yes, we all miss things.. that is why we keep going back these sites.

 

[jkline]

Agreed fw, but in this case there is a difference between missing something because you missed it and your detector not registering it. That's all I'm saying: in this outing I missed things, somehow, because the coil didn't go over the top of the target. The most important find however, the silver dime, didn't give a diggable signal on one of my detectors.

If anybody has the opposite scenario: that the Nox picks up a coin other MLs won't pick up, at that moment, I'd love to know about it.

 

[jim tn]

Be an inch off in one direction or another and the target will remain for another time. HH jim tn

 

[fwcrawford]

Agreed fw, but in this case there is a difference between missing something because you missed it and your detector not registering it. That's all I'm saying: in this outing I missed things, somehow, because the coil didn't go over the top of the target. The most important find however, the silver dime, didn't give a diggable signal on one of my detectors.

If anybody has the opposite scenario: that the Nox picks up a coin other MLs won't pick up, at that moment, I'd love to know about it.

Oh yes, I understand what you are saying… the reason I stated that was odd.
Wish I had an answer for you.
With that said I have had similar experiences with other detectors and could not understand why this was.
One day while clad hunting under some bleachers years ago, my buddy saw a tarnished clad quarter laying right on top of the ground, yet his DFX would not make a peep on it… he called me over and I ran my XTerra 50 over it and got no response either… I have no idea why we could not pick up that coin… we found plenty of other coins there though.

 

[sube]

Jkline great to see your double swinging as you know this well take care of the one ways .I find it's easier to crawl inch at a time that way you cover both directions . The key is coil control 2 foot swings not 6 feet can't control the coil i use this in heavy thrash.

If that dime was a nickel the ctx would have been a jumpy mix of ids as the nox with the dime since it was a shallow target both detectors would separate it from the un know en masking object that was with it rust pieces . Both detectors find dimes and nickels but the nox would kill the ctx on nickels that are masked with iron and the ctx would kill the nox on silver masked with iron .Coppers wheats zincs and so on there =.

Example found a silver roosie with the nox the dime was on edge between 2 square nails like this = the coin was 2 inches deep only one way pop both directions and the pop was a short repeat. Swinging like this ll with coin on edge in between i only hit the face of the coin coming into it both ways there was no halo from the nails they looked clean as they were gray colored the nox was iding 19 maybe indian i though .So i grab my ctx and get the same pop short both ways but the ctx was saying 12.43 i was in ferrous coin as you can see the nox with silver in iron does not id right if it had been a nickel the nox would id right and the ctx would not .

So i think you had a blended target nail rust whatever the ctx is much better at iding silver mixed with some form of iron with a accurate id had it been a nickel the nox would give the better id.


Gunwolf as far as missing these coins that were missed at the permission happens all the time ever get a signal that only repeats every other time and you know where it is but still only get it every other time well if you go over it once normal swinging what's to say it well sound off on that swing but by crawling or double swinging that second swing may light it up .sube

 

[fastdraw]

I remember searching around an old house some years ago two times thinking I had covered it pretty good and went in there one day with my buddy to try it again... we were searching and still making a few finds when he decided to move to another area of the yard to try.
I then went over to where he had just searched and found an 1861 Seated half dollar only about 2" deep.
I had missed it on two previous trips and my buddy missed it just before I found it.
In short... yes, we all miss things.. that is why we keep going back these sites.

You can miss a Target by 1 in

 

[Elmy]

@ JKLINE....remember this post ????

Lets say you are hunting and not finding anything.... Now what to do?

Lets say you are hunting and not finding anything.... Now what to do? Try this ....throw a quarter down where you are hunting right on top of the ground... Now sweep over it...does it read like it should ? The etrac should hit an 11-12-13 fe and a co of 46-47-48-49....if it doesn't it is time to...

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