The ignorant knock the T2

[LilloEsquilo]

I saw on another board people who had never tried a T2 and had very little knowledge of it sitting around knocking it.

My first thought was these idiots have never tried the machine but consider their opinion of it expert enough to sit and bash it? And why did they sit and bash it? Because it was a Teknetics (Bounty Hunter) rather than a White's, which to them is the only 'good' brand - Fishers, Minelabs, Garrett and Tesoro all make crap in their 'expert' opinions. I have noticed that White's users are particularly bad this way. If White's was the only company that made good machines the others wouldn't have stuck around for very long. But trying to reason with people like this is like trying to tell the Taliban that the earth really does revolve around the sun.

My goodness we have some ignorant people and the most ignorant are usually the first to pipe up with their 'expert' views.

Does Bounty Hunter make some "toy" detectors? Sure, what do you expect for 75 bucks? Seriously. Those are little more than toys for kids starting out or adults on a serious budget. 75 bucks is NOT going to get you a first rate machine. Did they have some quality issues? Yes also and they recognized that and tried to improve it by bringing Dave Johnson aboard. So, can you take that to mean the T2 is a toy and a piece of junk? Well some of these people are apparently good enough experts they have no problem doing that despite never trying one out.

But on the positive side, I should be glad they are dismissing the machine, as that will mean less T2 competition in my hotspots.

 

[Eddie Currents]

[quote LilloEsquilo]I saw on another board people who had never tried a T2 and had very little knowledge of it sitting around knocking it.
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That's OK. The fewer T2 owners there are, the more goodies will be left for us to find.

EC

 

[LilloEsquilo]

I agree, but I guess what I feel is, if you haven't tried a machine, you are hardly in the position to be an "expert" on it and sit around running it down. Yet they try to come off as all around experts on every subject and the fact they have no personal knowledge on those subjects doesn't deter them in the LEAST.

I have a word for people like that - idiots. Let's just call it like it is, screw political correctness.

You are correct though, in a sense I'm glad the morons are so closed minded, because that should hopefully leave more goodies for me to find.

You just have to be careful and take what people say with a grain of salt. Some of them are pushing their own choice of detector and calling all others junk when they don't have a clue in hell what they are talking about. I've tried White's Minelab Tesoro and Bounty Hunter machines besides the Teknetics, and I found good stuff with all of them (as well as plenty of junk). I thought they were all good machines in their own way. I've never tried a Fisher so I'm not gonna sit here and pretend to be an expert on Fishers and say 'Well the CZs have an iron fetish that is well known so they suck stay away from them'. Tell that to the guy who has found a lot of loot with one, and you'll see what I mean.

 

[BuckeyeBrad]

and it seems to be an age old human behavior. Cars, motorcycles, stereos, metal detectors, you name it and there is a group of close minded individuals that are comfortable in establishing their opinions without ANY first handed knowledge. Some folks call it brand loyalty. Politically correctly speaking, I'd call it "coming from an incomplete knowledge base". I think a lot of it lays to the old fable, fox and grapes. In other words, for whatever reason, they can't buy whatever it is so they do the "fox" thing and just say LOUDLY that the item is no good. It reinforces their little reality. I just grin and let 'em go on with the crap... makes me feel better about coming from an informed point of view, which is my preferred little reality.

 

[LilloEsquilo]

That's some of it, sure. Also they probably really and truly believe that the T2 must be a piece of crap cheap toy, based on their perception that all Bounty Hunters are just that.

Well I'm just going to take the view that I'm glad more people in this area aren't using the T2. More stuff for me to find that way, hopefully! I do think the machine is the industry's best kept secret right now. Minelab gets deserved hype for their Xterra series (among others), I hear good things about the new Fishers, White's makes some good ones, Tesoro has a few even Bounty Hunter mid to upper range machines are pretty good from what I've seen and heard (and one of their lower priced ones has a good reputation as well). But I don't hear that much buzz about the T2 and how good it is.

 

[KCK]

Wait just a minute....I knock the T2 into the ground a few times myself, but I'm not ignorant. I know a lot about the T2. I just have trouble swinging it straight sometimes and I knock it into the ground! hehhehe

 

[skipper]

The T2 does take some time to learn.But it is worth it.I picked up three little Indians today that I missed with my DFX .Give it a chance.

 

[LilloEsquilo]

I'd be careful with that machine, you don't wanna be without it during detecting season KCK!

 

[KCK]

of ground. Because this find was buried almost three inches deep! I'd say that the wife and I both missed it last year if not that last two or three years.

And wouldn't you know it that the Junk GTI 2500 didn't find it, A whites 6000 DI didn't find it,a CXIII Master Hunter...Nope didn't find it either, a Bounty Hunter Tracker didn't find it...and even the T2 missed it...I said missed it...How'd that happen! hehehe
And then here comes the little wifey, with a Teknetics Turbo from the late 80's so old I can't remember when we bought it(several years ago anyway)and gets the Gold! Darn it anyway!&^%$@$!

And so I guess it just goes to show you...even good things can be found with so-called JUNK detectors?

 

[mtdoramike]

my wife accuses me of being ignorant all the time. Especially when I buy an $800.00 detector keep it for 2-3 weeks and then turn around and sell it for $200.00-$250.00 less then what I just paid for it. Now, some might call that ignorant, but actually I think that is more stupidity then ignorance so I think so is just trying not to hut my feelings. hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[LilloEsquilo]

Well, we could put a nice face on it and say you are "generous".

I do understand that, oddly enough. I mean if you try a new detector and it's not for you, and you won't use it, you might as well sell it. Hell I just sold a bass guitar I bought new for $430 with a case for $220 I hardly played it and you can't tell it from new. That's almost a loss of 50 percent, then I threw in a bunch of extras I paid good money for to boot just to be nice and to get rid of them.

I am keeping the T2 though, that is a keeper. It's everything I wanted in a detector. I use mine for competition hunts, and hitting local parks, schools, churches and the like with mineralized soil that are loaded with rusty iron. The T2 is a great machine for these applications.

 

[Fred/in Fla.]

That you comment on how Whites users are biased to their machines. Some mabe, but not the masses ,who have come to like and trust these detectors from Whites. I have a Bounty Hunter and I have always liked it. It isn't a high $ one, but it works and has found many a treasure lost by some luckless person. I am curious about the 'new' Tecnetics T2, and I keep looking for post that review its performance in a real life setting. We need the opinion of people who use "other" detectors in order to compare their performance and abilities. We do the same comparison analyst when choosing a car, or a camera ect. Perhaps you may be a little 'thin skinned' and could be a little more forgiving when reading others opinions. I do not mean to offend you, but I do like and trust my XLPRO!!

 

[LilloEsquilo]

I have no problem with people having opinions, even if they differ from mine. They are welcome to love, hate or feel indifferent about the machine. That's not my issue, my issue is knocking a machine you've never tried yourself and trying to offer "expert" opinions on it. If you've never used a given machine, I don't care how many forum articles you've read, how many pictures you've seen, and how many people you've talked with about it, you're still not an "expert" who should sit around bashing it.

I myself have used White's detectors. I enjoyed them a lot. I have nothing against any brand. I've heard the typical knocks on everything "Minelab is overpriced, Fisher loves iron, Garretts have no depth, Tesoro should be 'toysoro', Bounty Hunter is cheap junk, White's are heavy beasts you have to whip to get depth from" etc etc etc. Any given manufacturer, you can sit and find stuff wrong with their machines if you want to. That's ok, not my issue at all, but if you've never used the machine in question, I say you don't really have a lot of ability to sit around and diss it.

To clarify the White's users comments (they are biased) I saw some posts by White's users on other forums as well in the Minelab detector reviews basically saying how the Explorer is a piece of crap and their DFX could eat it for lunch any day of the week. I can't comment on the DFX as I've never used one, but I'm sure it's a fine machine. However, in my mineralized soil I'd have put my Explorer II up against it any time. I'm sure both machines would do well, honestly. They sat in a Minelab review forum bashing a fantastic performer of a machine that they'd likely never personally tried and if they did, they didn't know what the hell they were doing. You ask any Explorer user who knows his stuff to show you his pile of silver then tell him what a piece of crap he's got for a detector. He'll laugh. That's what I was referring to, for all I know they were dealer shills, so maybe that generalization isn't fair and if not I apologize to you guy.

 

[mtdoramike]

Whites has ever made. But, there are some folks who just don't like the XLpro for what ever reason. Just like there are folks who just don't like the T2 for what ever reason.

Now with that being said, one thing that I have noticed is since the T2's introduction, there have only been a couple T2's offered on the classifieds for resale or trade. Now, does this show that that 99% of T2 buyers are satisfied with their purchase, yes & no, it could be that they still haven't sold many T2's yet or the folks that have bought them just haven't had the time or energy to use them. So common T2 users, lets see some of those outstanding finds or just battery money finds that your making with the T2's.

Now, as far as luckless people losing their stuff, I wouldn't call them luckless, unfortunate maybe, but NOT luckless.

 

[Fred/in Fla.]

n/t

 

[Fred/in Fla.]

Perhaps that is what people are doing with their machines, learning how to make them produce. If it is a good machine they will keep them if not we'll see them on ebay. I am intrigued with the littrature on the machine and mabe I'll get a chance to 'road-test' one and then I can form my own 'expert' opinion............!

 

[LilloEsquilo]

There is not that much of a learning curve on the T2 I'm not sure what they are talking about. If people are having trouble using a T2, they would have trouble running about anything, it's pretty much turn on and go. And if they are having trouble with this, tell them by all means don't touch an Explorer or Sovereign or they will give up detecting for good.

How easy it is to use is one of the things that I really like about the T2. I really don't want to feel like I'm flying a jet or programming my computer when I go metal detecting.

 

[Dave Z]

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[LilloEsquilo]

I believe it is TreasureNet or something like that. It has a place for reviews of detectors.