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the future of the CoRe and Relic design

dfmike

Well-known member
With the new multi frequency arrivals from Nokta and Makro, do you think the future of the CoRe and Relic are in jeopardy ? I really like the form factor of the CoRe. I thought I would hate it before actually using it but I've really come to enjoy it. That ergonomic handle and those big rubber buttons for pinpointing and ground balancing are quite unique and I actually like that small screen because it forces me to focus on the audio more. It eliminates the distracting eye candy. The screen is only there as a visual aid for target identification and that's OK. I like the simplicity of the design and the big box in the back acting as counterweight.

Nokta and Makro seem to be leaning more towards the big screen and the more classic handle design of the competition as of late (Impact, Racer 2 and Kruzer). I wonder if the design of the CoRe and Relic is destined to vanish anytime soon which would be a pity IMHO. It seems that in North America at least, the Makro Racer 2, Impact and now the Kruzer are much more popular.

What's your take on it ? Could a multi frequency machine of similar design be in the works ?
 
I also like the design of the CoRe, Relic & Gold Plus..

The only things I would of liked if the CoRe had more of the VDI numbers like the Relic (Zinc Penny) separations
PinPoint Depth number in inches
 
I enjoy my relic as well. Maybe it's just in my head, but with it's size I feel it's more powerful too.
It beats my racer 2 depth. It's a sparky son of a gun. Really good detector.
I have no plans of letting my relic go. It's out of warranty this year though so I'll have to treat it well.
 
Now that the Racer is discontinued, I feel let down. I'm thinking maybe I should sell my Relic before it's discontinued too. I may have to go back to companies that don't introduce something new so often. It sucks being poor, and not being able to constantly upgrade, and then have your machine discontinued....I guess good for sales, but not for buyers.. Yeah, I'm a little miffed...Love my Relic, but I know what discontinuing means.. be hard to probably get 100 bucks out a like new Racer I now....
 
Just because something is discontinued doesn’t mean that it is no longer supported.
 
DFMike,

Prior to buying my Racer 2, I looked into the Nokta CoRe. A couple good friends are swinging them and praise them HIGHLY. Nice detector, but being a lefty, I have to say that I wasn't thrilled about the prospects of trying to glance at the main screen on the far side of the detector, and changing hands for settings and such. Looking further, Dilek indicated that Nokta did have a left handed option that can be ordered through the US Distributor. Not being familiar with Nokta / Makro at the time, I was a little unsure about getting into a lefty detector that might be difficult to sell if it didn't perform well. So, I decided to go the easy route and get the Racer 2.

Well, the last year that I've had the Racer 2 have gone well. I am impressed with the detector as well as Makro / Nokta.

Well, so happens at Christmas time, one of my friends found an excellent deal on the LEFTY CoRe on the K-Co website (US Distributor) and couldn't resist picking it up as a reserve. Of course, once I found out he had it, being lefty, I had to start bugging him. One thing led to another and once he was able to find a suitable righty replacement (he has to keep a couple CoRe's in reserve) he's consented to release the Lefty CoRe to my care, So, I'm looking forward to using it when I get up his way to pick it up in April.

Weaving this conversation back to the original post about design changes, I think the Core and Relic design HAS already been updated with the introduction of the Impact. I think that change was likely due to customer input for the NEW detectors and the problems associated with having lefty / righty versions of the same Model. (having to document, manufacture, stock and keep inventory on a left- and right-handed version (CoRe) of the 'same' detector)

I am not aware if Nokta offers a lefty version of the Relic. Anybody out there know?

Customer demand is going to continue to push designs in certain directions. I think right now, the industry is moving towards most 'serious' models being water resistant which makes myself and others wonder about serviceability, battery changes and housings staying 'sealed' but i guess that those things come with the territory of being safe for the water. Lighter weight and water resistance are getting a lot of interest right now.

I do know that as I have started accumulating some years on me, that I like having things lightened up a bit. I can still swing my etrac, but I like swinging the Racer 2 and look forward to the CoRe. :D


HH

Rich (Utah)
 
I know I do, and I'm glad to have my original CoRe returned to my Detector 'Team' again.

I like the CoRe so well that it is only one of two detector models that I will have a duplicate of in my Regular-Use Detector Team. I spent some time yesterday using all but two of my detectors trying to sort out what to keep and what to thin out. Not an easy task, and one I'll discuss with you over the phone, or via e-mail or PM. I've thinned two long-time favorites and plan to part with two or three duplicate models now, trimming my detector group to only two models with more than one specimen, and the CoRe is the first device that I am NOT thinning down or trimming out. The CoRe is the detector by which I compare all other TID and Tone-ID models.

Monte
 
When I originally bought the Racer 2, I decided on it rather than the CoRe because of the CoRe design.

I switch modes and make adjustments A LOT when I detect. I couldn't see myself constantly flipping the detector up sideways to make changes.

Nokta/Makro is working out their issues with better balancing machines. The way the Impact, Kruzer, and soon to be Storm are physically laid out, it looks like they may have moved on from the CF77/CoRe/Relic form factor and I for one am glad. Just my opinion.
 
Dave_E said:
When I originally bought the Racer 2, I decided on it rather than the CoRe because of the CoRe design.

I switch modes and make adjustments A LOT when I detect. I couldn't see myself constantly flipping the detector up sideways to make changes.

Nokta/Makro is working out their issues with better balancing machines. The way the Impact, Kruzer, and soon to be Storm are physically laid out, it looks like they may have moved on from the CF77/CoRe/Relic form factor and I for one am glad. Just my opinion.

I understand you but went in the opposite direction. I was always used to big screen detectors with easy to change settings on the fly. The "hefty" design of the CoRe and what people said about it got me intrigued. My personal exchanges with Monte convinced me to get one. The unorthodox build took some getting used to but I really like it now. I've already mentioned this but I will again: The handle on this thing is the most ergonomic I have ever used. It's meaty, solid and contoured as it should. I never thought I would get used to the tiny screen either but not only did I get used to it but I actually prefer only having the target ID as visual reference (although I would appreciate a battery level indicator). I have become much more attuned to sound now and only use the visuals as general reference.

I liked the fact that Nokta did something different with the original designs. It's probably why I was never interested in a Racer or even the Impact. It looks too much like everything else on the market. The CoRe and Relic are singular. In the end I understand that for a manufacturer, sales is the number one reason why they exist and these models are probably not the best sellers in their lineup. I personally don't think the CoRe and Relic design will survive and that makes me want to hold on to mine even more.
 
First off, that particular FORS CoRe you showed WAS one of my stolen detectors that is now back in my Regular-Use Detector 'Team' and is only one of the three CoRe devices I had stripped and powder-coated an 'Edge Red' color on the both the upper and middle rods. There are still two 'Edge Blue' powder-coated custom FORS Relic out there that were stole, plus the two 'Edge Blue' specimens I still have in my 'Detector Team.' Here are a CoRe and Relic I own and use.

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Some manufacturers will use a painted rod system of one color, others will only off-color the upper rod and leave a middle rod black. Examples are the White's yellow MX Sport and Bengal Orange MX-7 that are sold with only the upper 'S' sections 'colored' and with a black middle rod. I don't care for that design and all my MX-7's have a Bengal Orange powder coated middle rod to match.

But it would be more costly for a wide-scale manufacturer, such as Nokta and Makro, to try and provide each specific model in a different color because that would mean doing the middle roads as well. As it is, the middle rod of a CoRe is shared with the Relic and Racer series and other models in their line. Kind of makes sense to keep the manufacturing costs down by using a basic black rod system. If some of us nutty folks out here want to foot the bill, we can get things powder-coated to suit personal 'be different' desires.

Monte
 
I'm very glad you got the red core back,Monte! I was wondering if you did? I was hoping the guilty party knew where the other stolen items were.
 
Yes, I agree with Monte, there will always be a Fors Core machine ( or two) that will always stay in the arsenal. And to Quote Monte" If some of us nutty folks" Lol that would be me as well :) but black is really boring. A little color is nice. And like DFMike has said the CoRe is a pleasure to swing especially if using the larger coils ( same for the Relic also) The Relic and Core are great machines. Some of the newer offerings certainly didn't make them any less of a machine.
 
I own and use a bunch of detectors that were introduced from about 1994 up to the present, and all of them work well. Nothing that has come along made them work any different than they have worked and still do. I have two FORS CoRe units that have been in my arsenal for over three years, and they are staying ut in my detector battery because they work, and work quite well. The same goes for two FORS series Relic models that have provided me two+ years of satisfaction and splendid results afield, and with all the detectors that have come along since, the Relic still performes just as well, and better than most of the competition.


Dave_E said:
When I originally bought the Racer 2, I decided on it rather than the CoRe because of the CoRe design.
Did you ever get you hands on a CoRe, or Relic, to compare them with the Racer 2? Ever compared them with their smaller-size coil and also hunt with each of them for 30 minutes or longer using a standard 7X11 DD coil? Likely not, because the FORS series design, while it appears to be a heavier package layout, is one of the best balanced and most comfortable detectors I have ever used, especially if hunting for any period of time with a mid-sized to standard-sized search coil attached. Much lighter and more comfortable with a 7X11 than the Racer 2. I won't even use the 7X11 on a Racer series model, and don't even own a Racer 2 7X11 DD coil. If I want to hunt with that size coil, it will be on the working end of a CoRe or Relic


Dave_E said:
I switch modes and make adjustments A LOT when I detect. I couldn't see myself constantly flipping the detector up sideways to make changes.
Well, I guess if you are a 'frequent mode and setting switcher,' then one of the models with an in-your-face display and control access might be more to your liking. I do change some settings or search modes with some of my detectors, but only in a few applications. It's not a normal behavior for me because I know the sites I am hunting, know my detector and coil set-up well, and have ample confidence in my saved settings for each program. I just seldom change anything.

And if I want to make adjustments with a CoRe or Relic, it is almost as simple as with my Racer 2 or Impact or Multi-Kruzer or other brand models I use. Like I said, there isn't a lot of want or need to change adjustments or search modes, at least not for me or not all that frequently, and the CoRe and relic are quite 'functional' just they way they are. I might trim some of my detectors in the near future and possibly let one Relic go, but not all of them and never a CoRe. They both match or better all my other detectors.


Dave_E said:
Nokta/Makro is working out their issues with better balancing machines.
Whatever 'issues' they perceive is one thing, but 'balance' is going to be difficult to achieve and have it be better than the FORS series packaging.


Dave_E said:
The way the Impact, Kruzer, and soon to be Storm are physically laid out, it looks like they may have moved on from the CF77/CoRe/Relic form factor and I for one am glad. Just my opinion.
As mentioned, I don't have any issues with my CoRe and Relic designs, nor the Racer 2. I like the Impact's balance and feel over the Racer 2, and the Multi-Kruzer is also a comfortable detector in my hand.

Looking at the video from Nokta/Makro I did notice the newer design package, but we don't know for certain what the entire package I, or what will be offered to consumers. I know I anticipate seeing what comes from this great company, or companies if you will, in the way of packaging and design of the Nokta device as I tend to be rather partial to that brand, having 2 CoRe, 2 Relic and 1 Impact devices in my personal detector 'Team.'

The Makro line has three new submersible/waterproof models, and from the looks of it, the next Nokta unit might follow that trend, and with their attention to quality design, of both electronics and packaging, I am sure there will be more excellent models to come. but I am equally comfortable in knowing that such progress isn't going to have a negative effect on the design and performance of what we have now. Racer 2, CoRe, Relic, Impact ... they are all going to continue to serve us well.

Just my thoughts.

Monte
 
LOL ya the Bad Boy Yellow is almost the same Color as "CAT" yellow. Came out looking pretty spiffy :)
 
Dave_E said:
When I originally bought the Racer 2, I decided on it rather than the CoRe because of the CoRe design.

I switch modes and make adjustments A LOT when I detect. I couldn't see myself constantly flipping the detector up sideways to make changes.

Nokta/Makro is working out their issues with better balancing machines. The way the Impact, Kruzer, and soon to be Storm are physically laid out, it looks like they may have moved on from the CF77/CoRe/Relic form factor and I for one am glad. Just my opinion.


Dave,

Tell me about the Storm. Is this a new Nokta platform similar to the Kruzers?


Rich
 
If you go to the MD hunter blog it shows a video and if you pay close attention it shows some future developing machines.......it looks like to me the storm evolved into the Kruzer series.

http://md-hunter.com/nokta-storm-makro-racer-3-nokta-impact-2-new-2018/
 
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