the area i hunt.:ausflag:

[blowfly1967]

something i have noticed that since my vaquero has taken a fit,i'm hunting every day with twenty five year old silver sabre and a modern day compadre,
both,do not have ground balance and i appear to be finding more.both have small coils true.i like my vaquero but is it really necessary in an area that i hunt,
could i have not got away with a cheaper cibola and have found as much if not more without out laying as much.problem i fear is listening to,
much too all the hype and bullsh*'t surrounding these detectors.i can think many detectors of other brands that don't have ground balancing features
and do quite well.i know the theory behind it all ,but i'm beginning to think we're all being led up the garden path and i can hear all the flack coming but
these are my thoughts. hh,blowfly

 

[trueblue]

I think you've answered your own question Blowfly

" HH "

 

[Gunnar MN]

Its hard to sort out the down right nonsens from the truth they all clame great depth but i know its not true thats why i like the fourums and going to you tube whear you can really see the detectors in action my deepest detecor so far was the cibola but I,m sure its not the depest out thear

 

[BarberBill]

Blowfly, I've given a fair bit of thought to the same subject. Personally, I do believe that machines with a manual or true auto ground balance have a distinct advantage depth wise in more mineralized soils. However, for a great deal of hunting the preset machines do quite well and get more negative comments concerning that than I feel is accurate. I have 5 preset GB machines, one manual GB, and one true auto GB and I have to say I've dug a great many good finds with the preset machines, often at good depths. Most of the areas I hunt have reasonable soil, but I do like having a machine or two available for harsher conditions. Also, after rereading your post, I wonder if some of your success may be due to the smaller coils separating targets that might be masked by larger coils. I've come to believe that a smaller coil in the arsenal is generally more useful than the larger, at least for coin hunting in trashy parks etc.
HH
BB

 

[tvr]

My biggest issue with fixed GB on the Cibola was at a beach where I hit a lot of hot rocks. With GB I can balance to those, or close to those rocks, and add a little discrimination and not beep on them but beep on good targets. If mineralization changes a lot over places you hunt, a fixed GB would present a more noticeable change in deepest target depth. You would see that you could hunt some areas with a lot higher sensitivity and other areas would need to turn it down to cut down on the chatter.

If your area allows high sensitivity and you are getting great targets, then you may not need or want adjustable GB. It may be preset just right for you!
Glad the Cibola is doing well for you!
tvr

 

[blowfly1967]

i don't have a cibola,because when i was new to the hobby i was swayed by everyone elses opinion on what i
should have.right or wrong i went with the flow.it's only in hindsight that i got to thinking that the two back up
detectors i'm using don't have gb.maybe if i had went with gut feeling and bought a cibola at the start we wouldn't
be having this conversation now and would have saved myself two hundred dollars that i didn't have to spend.
just my thoughts.hh.blowfly

 

[marcomo]

Blowfly, I'm with BarberBill on this one. I believe you're finding more because of the smaller coils.

I've become a big believer in small coils, especially since I seldom detect in low trash areas.

Of course the manufacturers are going to hype every new unimportant feature like it's the greatest thing since electricity, they want to sell you a detector. Their detector.

People who know way more than me have explained why in areas with high mineralization a preset GB machine is a distinct disadvantage.

The good thing is the soil in your area is obviously not bad.

And if you decide to sell that Vaquero you'll get most of your investment back thanks to Tesoro's excellent resale value.

 

[blowfly1967]

now that i own one,i wouldn't sell it.had thought about a small coil for it,but i have compadre.blowfly.

 

[BarberBill]

Sooner or later you will hit a situation where you'll be glad you have a machine with ground balancing capability. The Compadre with the smaller coil should do you well in trashy parks etc.
HH
BB

 

[blowfly1967]

offcourse barber bill,it' s just that i know of three other people in the area that only use golden sabres
with no ground balance and they find heaps but i must say the last time our paths crossed the weren't
happy when they saw my vaquero,that was one day i really upset them.the only thing i don't like about
small coils, is it takes forever to get anywhere. hh blowfly

 

[SkiWhiz]

I always said and I think people thtought that I was nuts - is that all the older Tesoro's that I have had (Cutlass,Bandido II uMax,Toltec II,Silver Sabre,Silver,Sabre uMax,and several others) have got as good of depth as the Vaquero,Cibola,and the Tejon that I just traded. And to be truthful I found more jewelry with the older Tesoro's. Either my ground is a son of a gun or our stuff don't sink deep up here (upstate New York) or I am not doing something right but 6 inches is about all I can find a coin at no matter what detector I use. Nothing wrong with the newer Tesoro's but them older one's are really really good, just something special about them older 12 kHz Tesoro's. Steve.

 

[marcomo]

I always said and I think people thtought that I was nuts - is that all the older Tesoro's that I have had (Cutlass,Bandido II uMax,Toltec II,Silver Sabre,Silver,Sabre uMax,and several others) have got as good of depth as the Vaquero,Cibola,and the Tejon that I just traded. And to be truthful I found more jewelry with the older Tesoro's. Either my ground is a son of a gun or our stuff don't sink deep up here (upstate New York) or I am not doing something right but 6 inches is about all I can find a coin at no matter what detector I use. Nothing wrong with the newer Tesoro's but them older one's are really really good, just something special about them older 12 kHz Tesoro's. Steve.

Those older Tesoros have a great reputation, and still do very well as far as resale value.

As for the current Tesoro lineup, my experience has been the Tejon definitely has the most punch.

Just a week or two ago I read a post by an experienced detectorist from Ohio who said he dug a wheatie at 16" with his Explorer.

I don't know if my detecting is extremely inferior, my machine is extremely inferior, or I'm just a little more honest.

Maybe someone with more technical knowledge can give an opinion on whether a 16" penny is even possible with current VLF technology.

 

[blowfly1967]

some english dude named gary did a test on vlf deteectors,i read just recently about depth fables. blowfly see ya !

 

[SEMPERFI61]

WELL, LET ME THROW IN MY TWO CENTS:YO ,MATE YOUR PART OF THE COUNTRY IS LIKE OKLAHOMA,AND TEXAS.I HAVE WHITES,FISHER,TEKNETICS,TESOROS AND FOR THIS RUGGET TERAIN AND DRY COUNTRY.YOU NEED THE CZ'S FAMILY FROM FISHER!!THE CZ-5 AND THE CZ-3D ,CZ-70 PRO,CZ-70,ECT.ALSO THE TEKNETICS T2 IS SUPER DEEP IN DRY COUNTRYS! I HAVE THE CZ-5 AND THE T2 THEY DO GREAT IN TEXAS.THE CZ'S ARE VERY DEEP!!HOPE THIS HELPS.

BILL

 

[Hombre]

Hey Fellas

It's not the brand of machine that counts, or even a paticular model of your favorite brand ( insert, Tesoro,Fisher,White's,Garret,Minelab ETC. ) . Just buy one and stick with it till ya learn it like the back of your hand. As far as Depth is concerned, first you have to know that a deep GOOD signal is faint, and small and repeats in at least two swipes of your coil. Some of my best deep targets repeat in one direction of sweep, but not at a 90 degree angle of sweep. To hear these deep signals, a good pair of headphones is a must have! MY two zincs............Hombre

 

[Gunnar MN]

when your vaq gets back put a small coil on it and then lets see how things go , I am no longer a fan of concentric coils especialy the bigger ones ,

 

[musky8it]

To hear these deep signals, a good pair of headphones is a must have! MY two zincs............Hombre

Hombre

So you are telling me that if I only use the MD and no headphones. I will miss hearing signals? Yes, I am a newbee just learning and I don't have a high dollar MD(got a ace 250), so here is some dumb questions. Can't learn if you don't ask questions I allways heard.

And I hunt quiet areas and my MD is loud to me. So why would I need headphones? Tell me this, does the ace 250 pass signals thru headphones that I can not hear thru the MD in quiet areas? If that is true, then maybe thats why I am only finding clad coins. Most of what I find is surface to 4-5", very fews coins do I find more than 4-5". Is it because I don't hear the signals, OR is it because I have just not hunted any areas with deep coins...

OHwell, I have allot of fun no matter what I find. MD is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get....hehehehehe.....

 

[Hombre]

I was a newb at one time Musky

I got a cheap pair of Calrads with my new White's XLT back when I started in 1994. There is no telling what good coins and jewelery I walked past with those crappy phones. I got one weak signal in my front yard, and since I could'nt hear it good, I just passed on it, because the meter was'nt locking on either. Later that year, i bought a good pair of head phones (Whites-Koss).......I remembered the weak signal in my front yard, went back over it with the XLT with Koss headphones and hear a crisp signal then. The crappy signal with the cheapy calrads that I now could hear good with the Koss headphones turned out to be an 8 inch deep Mercury dime. That experience was etched in my mind...............don't buy no crappy headphones...............Hombre