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Testing a Mr. Bill Classic III....Monte please add ---
- Thread starter DavHut
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Hi Dave,
I *really* enjoyed your review.
I bought a Classic III (late model with the White's improved and "enhanced" circuitry) about a 18 months ago. While I've not used it much at all (lack of free time) I really wonder if I should get Mr Bill's mods for it. My reasons are twofold. One is that I hope at some point to advance beyond "beginner" and can use the extra features and second is that the mods are still being offered by Bill.
One question though? Did your Classic III have the later White's enhanced circuitry or was yours an older model that benefited from (and needed)the Mr Bills "boost" mod?
I ask because in reading his web site I see he offers mod choices for two different models of the Classic III - the "SL" and "Pro?" I think the Pro is the later III model which essentially had the boost circuitry added into the design by the White's engineers. But I'm really intrigued with his ability to tweak the sensitivity of the improved circuity even further.
Anyway. Thanks and I look forward to more!
Ken
I *really* enjoyed your review.
I bought a Classic III (late model with the White's improved and "enhanced" circuitry) about a 18 months ago. While I've not used it much at all (lack of free time) I really wonder if I should get Mr Bill's mods for it. My reasons are twofold. One is that I hope at some point to advance beyond "beginner" and can use the extra features and second is that the mods are still being offered by Bill.
One question though? Did your Classic III have the later White's enhanced circuitry or was yours an older model that benefited from (and needed)the Mr Bills "boost" mod?
I ask because in reading his web site I see he offers mod choices for two different models of the Classic III - the "SL" and "Pro?" I think the Pro is the later III model which essentially had the boost circuitry added into the design by the White's engineers. But I'm really intrigued with his ability to tweak the sensitivity of the improved circuity even further.
Anyway. Thanks and I look forward to more!
Ken
I do the boost modification to the Pro version also. The units can both be enhanced, but on the older one's there a much more noticeable change.
Please don't feel you have to "advance". There is not always the need to have these modification done. The units will perform real well just the way they were made. Use, and enjoy your unit, if you feel that you could take advantage of a external ground balancing control, that would be the time to consider having the modifications done. Don't do it because of the boost gains in depth.
Mr. Bill
Please don't feel you have to "advance". There is not always the need to have these modification done. The units will perform real well just the way they were made. Use, and enjoy your unit, if you feel that you could take advantage of a external ground balancing control, that would be the time to consider having the modifications done. Don't do it because of the boost gains in depth.
Mr. Bill
...mine is one of the earlier units, which came from the factory on the "hot" side to start with. His changes only enhanced that latent abiltity. As to the chronology of the Classic series, what units have which changes, etc, honestly, I dont know all that stuff. Bill DOES.
I hope at some point to advance beyond "beginner"
The Classics are for EVERYBODY. Used as tools to find metal, they have a long standing reputation of success. I got this CIII because I had one in the past and I knew I liked it then. I had done the GB pull-out on that one myself, and I considered it a valuable modification. I still do, because with the inherent stability found in the Classic circuits, there is little fuss to be made over manual GB. With just a little educating, any average detectorist can figure it out and benefit from having the feature.
Same with the other mods he does. The THRESH adjust, for example, is also a bennie to have and works in concert with the GB. Besides, according to Mr Bill, Whites shipped the Classics with the THRESH overly loud in the first place, since Whites expected that newcomers (and others, perhaps) would be using the instrument without headphones - so it needed to be loud to be heard! Using headphones (as you should) requires that you need to have some control over the amplitude.
I'm really intrigued with his ability to tweak the sensitivity of the improved circuity even further.
They say that "...a fool and his money are soon parted", and I suppose you are worried that you would be wasting money to have him "modify" something that is already at its best.
Through discusions with Monte and others, I learned about all the changes that could be done to a Classic detector and figured, that for $70, guaranteed, what Mr Bill offered was a real value. Did I really need to do that?
Possibly not. I do know that I wanted to have all that was available from the instrument on tap in case I chose to employ it. I mean you can't use what's held back from you, right? I could have done the mods myself and saved the money - except the boost enhancements. As Bill says in his response, just having the GB and THRESH options made available to you is a real boon in terms of usability.
Would I recommend having them done by a true professional, like Bill, who knows more about getting the most from an already good instrument? More than you or I will ever know? In a heartbeat! I'd do it again tomorrow, should another good deal on a C-model come along.
If your C-model is as hot as it already can be, then Bill will tell you. If it can be made better, he'll do that for you, too. This is one "fool" who heartily endorses the man behind the work.
I hope at some point to advance beyond "beginner"
The Classics are for EVERYBODY. Used as tools to find metal, they have a long standing reputation of success. I got this CIII because I had one in the past and I knew I liked it then. I had done the GB pull-out on that one myself, and I considered it a valuable modification. I still do, because with the inherent stability found in the Classic circuits, there is little fuss to be made over manual GB. With just a little educating, any average detectorist can figure it out and benefit from having the feature.
Same with the other mods he does. The THRESH adjust, for example, is also a bennie to have and works in concert with the GB. Besides, according to Mr Bill, Whites shipped the Classics with the THRESH overly loud in the first place, since Whites expected that newcomers (and others, perhaps) would be using the instrument without headphones - so it needed to be loud to be heard! Using headphones (as you should) requires that you need to have some control over the amplitude.
I'm really intrigued with his ability to tweak the sensitivity of the improved circuity even further.
They say that "...a fool and his money are soon parted", and I suppose you are worried that you would be wasting money to have him "modify" something that is already at its best.
Through discusions with Monte and others, I learned about all the changes that could be done to a Classic detector and figured, that for $70, guaranteed, what Mr Bill offered was a real value. Did I really need to do that?
Possibly not. I do know that I wanted to have all that was available from the instrument on tap in case I chose to employ it. I mean you can't use what's held back from you, right? I could have done the mods myself and saved the money - except the boost enhancements. As Bill says in his response, just having the GB and THRESH options made available to you is a real boon in terms of usability.
Would I recommend having them done by a true professional, like Bill, who knows more about getting the most from an already good instrument? More than you or I will ever know? In a heartbeat! I'd do it again tomorrow, should another good deal on a C-model come along.
If your C-model is as hot as it already can be, then Bill will tell you. If it can be made better, he'll do that for you, too. This is one "fool" who heartily endorses the man behind the work.
Hi Mr Bill,
Thank you for the reply!
A large factor in my thinking had been that I don't want to "miss the boat" and find out some day that you nor anyone else modifies these (now discontinued) models anymore.
After reading your answer, and Dave's, I'll plan on using the detector "as-is" this spring and summer, see how it performs for me and revisit the idea of mods in the winter.
Thanks!
Ken
Thank you for the reply!
A large factor in my thinking had been that I don't want to "miss the boat" and find out some day that you nor anyone else modifies these (now discontinued) models anymore.
After reading your answer, and Dave's, I'll plan on using the detector "as-is" this spring and summer, see how it performs for me and revisit the idea of mods in the winter.
Thanks!
Ken
Hi David,
I hope I didn't sound skeptical. Quite the opposite. I guess my word "intrigued" was a poor choice and "impressed" would have been better.
I have no doubt that the mods would make my detector better (fortunately I'd bought earphones that had built in volume control which alleviated the loud THRESH setting right ff the bat
)
"I do know that I wanted to have all that was available from the instrument on tap in case I chose to employ it. I mean you can't use what's held back from you, right?
Yes! And that is essentially why I've been so interested in getting them in spite of my inexperience. I also fear not being able to get them done in the future as White's discontinued the model and at some point the demand or parts to do the mods with may go away.
After reading your reply and Bills too I've decided to try the unit as-it this spring-summer and re-evaluate having the mods done late in 2006.
Thanks for the really nice reply David.
- Ken
I hope I didn't sound skeptical. Quite the opposite. I guess my word "intrigued" was a poor choice and "impressed" would have been better.
I have no doubt that the mods would make my detector better (fortunately I'd bought earphones that had built in volume control which alleviated the loud THRESH setting right ff the bat
) "I do know that I wanted to have all that was available from the instrument on tap in case I chose to employ it. I mean you can't use what's held back from you, right?
Yes! And that is essentially why I've been so interested in getting them in spite of my inexperience. I also fear not being able to get them done in the future as White's discontinued the model and at some point the demand or parts to do the mods with may go away.
After reading your reply and Bills too I've decided to try the unit as-it this spring-summer and re-evaluate having the mods done late in 2006.
Thanks for the really nice reply David.
- Ken
Hi Ken
I have no doubt that the mods would make my detector better (fortunately I'd bought earphones that had built in volume control which alleviated the loud THRESH setting right ff the bat
It only lowered the volume, it did not alleviate the problem. The degree of the Threshold level is too strong. Running in the all metal mode is affected, because the strength of the threshold signal is too strong for deep targets to over come. Lowering the volume in your headphones still won't let you hear deep targets without the modification, or changing the setting inside the circuit.
Mr. Bill
I have no doubt that the mods would make my detector better (fortunately I'd bought earphones that had built in volume control which alleviated the loud THRESH setting right ff the bat
It only lowered the volume, it did not alleviate the problem. The degree of the Threshold level is too strong. Running in the all metal mode is affected, because the strength of the threshold signal is too strong for deep targets to over come. Lowering the volume in your headphones still won't let you hear deep targets without the modification, or changing the setting inside the circuit.
Mr. Bill
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