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Test bed depth

sasquache

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Hello fellow detectorist's gotta say i did a small test bed and man with my macro red racer at turn on and go settings, i planted coins ( lincolns,barber dime,buff,liberty nickel,rosy dime silver,washing silver quarter,indian head copper,and Bronze ) at 7 inches is this a desired depth for a test bed on coins ? because now some i can't even hit on after the soil is back in the hole my mineral graph is around 60 give or take lol or does the coins need too sit a while to simulate real life depth ? I'm open to all idea's on this so please respond. Thank You Paul
 
Freshly buried coins may not sound off at the depths that older coins do. I can't tell you the reasons for that but you could Google it if you are really interested in the physics behind it, but yes that is accurate. It's something about the coins reacting to the minerals in the ground and forming a matrix of some sort which causes a stronger signal. My ground has more mineralization than that and I hit coins deeper than that here so don't worry your Racer is a deep machine that will find the goodies.
 
GH over time it will pack and settle in. Like stated a new test garden will act funny with that fresh moved earth over the target.

Your going to find over time that other items will be added for one reason or another, start a drawing of the garden because in 5 years you will forget what was placed where and at what depth as those other items are added lol.

Depending on how much you want to put into it think about placing some dug square nails with you coins. Not only beside the target but above and below off to the side. These complex targets will help later when out on a real hunt. Not going to be like a target that has been in the ground for many years but a good tool to have. I use mine to get my ear right for a unit not used for a while that I'm going to take out and to check settings. Plant some trash targets you find yourself digging. Get used to what the unit is telling you not only in VDI but tone nuances that target gives.

Place a few deeper coins, maybe not now but give it a year and those will settle in and work fine. Shows what depth does in picking up those iffies.

Hope some of this helps ya out.

HH
 
Thank You 3ringer :thumbup:
3RINGER said:
GH over time it will pack and settle in. Like stated a new test garden will act funny with that fresh moved earth over the target.

Your going to find over time that other items will be added for one reason or another, start a drawing of the garden because in 5 years you will forget what was placed where and at what depth as those other items are added lol.

Depending on how much you want to put into it think about placing some dug square nails with you coins. Not only beside the target but above and below off to the side. These complex targets will help later when out on a real hunt. Not going to be like a target that has been in the ground for many years but a good tool to have. I use mine to get my ear right for a unit not used for a while that I'm going to take out and to check settings. Plant some trash targets you find yourself digging. Get used to what the unit is telling you not only in VDI but tone nuances that target gives.

Place a few deeper coins, maybe not now but give it a year and those will settle in and work fine. Shows what depth does in picking up those iffies.

Hope some of this helps ya out.

HH
 
I would start playing with the settings now to try and pick them up. That's how i would learn my machine. Turn your discrimination down, turn sensitivity up mess with that thing a little bit. See what happens. When you turn it off it will go back to factory settings.
 
https://youtu.be/5Qr2DJgMbcI

Take a look at this guy's test bed and see how the r2 performs in medium ground, about 9" at best, and try to avoid the 'sponsored' youtube videos or you could be sucked into thinking you have just purchased a magic wand, but it's defo an air test king lol
 
I have planted 'test beds' at many different locations [size=small](states, mineralization levels and types of ground make-up)[/size] going back to the latter '60s, and through the years I have seen some improvement on detection depth and target response at varying depths, but I have also noted one other very true realization. That is:

"Very seldom do 'planted' sample targets in recently disturbed ground behave the same as
naturally lost or long-duration targets do in undisturbed ground."

A couple of friends of mine had a detector shop at their home in '68, and I remember planting a number of test targets with him between '74 and '77. I visited the shop location thru the decades since and noted that lawn mowing caused very little build-up of the grass and soil level which meant the buried targets would still be close to the same level as they were planted. Many that were very weak performers initially produced better responses a year or two later after all target and soil conditions were stabilized.

I also noted all during this period that I would find naturally lost coins, trade tokens, buttons, bullets and other smaller-size artifacts at somewhat deeper depths, or at least producing better responses, out in any hunt sites I visited, urban or rural, than I would get from a fresher planted target.

Simple conclusions:
• Lost targets we search for can be located in many different orientations to the search coil than just laying flat in the bottom of a hole where we plant them, and that makes a drastic difference.

• Often the soil matrix, mineralization level, moisture content and compactness are different where we hunt compared to where we might plant.

• We might be hunting a site with a different detector, different settings and/or different search coil than what we used to sample a planted target.

• Planted targets never seem to have the same site environment as hunting in the real world, to include the presence of nearby targets that can cause good-target masking, and even hunting places where EMI can be an issue not comparable to some place we decided to plant a sample target.

Therefore, I only plant things the past decade or two when there is a need during a seminar or demonstration to show the negative effects of some ground mineral conditions that hamper successful in-the-field performance. To ME, the only real and practical 'test bed' is out there. Out wherever we happen to roam and put our coil to the soil and get into some serious hunting. That way we learn the strengths and weaknesses or our detectors, settings and coils, and the site conditions challenges our detectors and coils must handle, and learn and know what we can expect from them. There are countless 'naturally planted' 'test beds' out there awaiting us and they can be much better educators than spending our time planting sample session targets. Just get out and 'test' things out on 'older lost' targets.

Just my opinions,

Monte
 
At this time of the year in the UK the crops are coming in and fields are being ploughed and harrowed so the targets in these settings are similar to freshly planted one's, many of these fields are turned over yearly to a depth of 8"-12"
So if your to believe what testers, manufacturers and others say about freshly buried targets then people detecting in the UK on freshly ploughed fields are simply wasting their time, but that's not the case as massive finds are found in ploughed soil and the target 'hammered coins' are much smaller than anything found in the US. If detectors didn't work in this fresh ground they just wouldn't sell in the UK such as the no1 seller the deus!
So to the OP if your just about getting 7" with the racer on freshly buried targets then that's what to expect in ploughed or loose soil in your area.
It's quite simple, once the mineralisation levels rise detectors lose depth wither it's freshly planted or not, and some detectors will lose more depth than others, as a comparison i got slightly better results in my soil with my Racer2, typically 9" on large coins but no deeper.
 
How deep do you get with the Deus in the scenario you just described?
hairymonsterman said:
At this time of the year in the UK the crops are coming in and fields are being ploughed and harrowed so the targets in these settings are similar to freshly planted one's, many of these fields are turned over yearly to a depth of 8"-12"
So if your to believe what testers, manufacturers and others say about freshly buried targets then people detecting in the UK on freshly ploughed fields are simply wasting their time, but that's not the case as massive finds are found in ploughed soil and the target 'hammered coins' are much smaller than anything found in the US. If detectors didn't work in this fresh ground they just wouldn't sell in the UK such as the no1 seller the deus!
So to the OP if your just about getting 7" with the racer on freshly buried targets then that's what to expect in ploughed or loose soil in your area.
It's quite simple, once the mineralisation levels rise detectors lose depth wither it's freshly planted or not, and some detectors will lose more depth than others, as a comparison i got slightly better results in my soil with my Racer2, typically 9" on large coins but no deeper.
 
How deep do you get with the Deus in the scenario you just described?
hairymonsterman said:
At this time of the year in the UK the crops are coming in and fields are being ploughed and harrowed so the targets in these settings are similar to freshly planted one's, many of these fields are turned over yearly to a depth of 8"-12"
So if your to believe what testers, manufacturers and others say about freshly buried targets then people detecting in the UK on freshly ploughed fields are simply wasting their time, but that's not the case as massive finds are found in ploughed soil and the target 'hammered coins' are much smaller than anything found in the US. If detectors didn't work in this fresh ground they just wouldn't sell in the UK such as the no1 seller the deus!
So to the OP if your just about getting 7" with the racer on freshly buried targets then that's what to expect in ploughed or loose soil in your area.
It's quite simple, once the mineralisation levels rise detectors lose depth wither it's freshly planted or not, and some detectors will lose more depth than others, as a comparison i got slightly better results in my soil with my Racer2, typically 9" on large coins but no deeper.
 
D&P-OR said:
How deep do you get with the Deus in the scenario you just described?
hairymonsterman said:
At this time of the year in the UK the crops are coming in and fields are being ploughed and harrowed so the targets in these settings are similar to freshly planted one's, many of these fields are turned over yearly to a depth of 8"-12"
So if your to believe what testers, manufacturers and others say about freshly buried targets then people detecting in the UK on freshly ploughed fields are simply wasting their time, but that's not the case as massive finds are found in ploughed soil and the target 'hammered coins' are much smaller than anything found in the US. If detectors didn't work in this fresh ground they just wouldn't sell in the UK such as the no1 seller the deus!
So to the OP if your just about getting 7" with the racer on freshly buried targets then that's what to expect in ploughed or loose soil in your area.
It's quite simple, once the mineralisation levels rise detectors lose depth wither it's freshly planted or not, and some detectors will lose more depth than others, as a comparison i got slightly better results in my soil with my Racer2, typically 9" on large coins but no deeper.

I dont use the deus, i use the Golden Mask 5 on plough and it gets me down easy 10" in my soil which is just touching high mineralisation, works very well in fresh soil.
 
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