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Tesoro Tiger Shark
- Thread starter ToniSteve
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Howdy ToniSteve
Well...............I would get to know the detector real well before going into the water. It makes a dandy land detector, although a bit heavy. It operates about like any manual ground balanced Tesoro land machine. If I was you, I would see what kind of stainless steel scoops were available, I bought my scoop 9 yrs. ago along with my Tiger Shark..........nice thing to have along. One thing I did was to read the manual, and learn to ground balance the detector. Once I learned how to G/B the machine, on purpose I would mis-adjust my G/B and practice over and over again to G/B the machine. Now I can adjust the G/B with my eyes closed. Then set your Disc. low and dig everything that beeps, that way you will learn you detector quickly. Just a few thoughts................Hombre
Well...............I would get to know the detector real well before going into the water. It makes a dandy land detector, although a bit heavy. It operates about like any manual ground balanced Tesoro land machine. If I was you, I would see what kind of stainless steel scoops were available, I bought my scoop 9 yrs. ago along with my Tiger Shark..........nice thing to have along. One thing I did was to read the manual, and learn to ground balance the detector. Once I learned how to G/B the machine, on purpose I would mis-adjust my G/B and practice over and over again to G/B the machine. Now I can adjust the G/B with my eyes closed. Then set your Disc. low and dig everything that beeps, that way you will learn you detector quickly. Just a few thoughts................Hombre
grumpyolman
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Leave the internal adjustments alone unless you know for sure they are screwed up. May want to play with the volume a little. Mine was to loud. If you have ever ground balanced any machine you have owned, it'll take about 30 seconds to GB the TS. Turn it on and hunt the water. Oh! You might spend 5-10 minutes running a few objects over the coil just to hear what they are like.
If you want to make sure, dig all the targets you hear moderatley strongly. After awhile you'll stop digging those as they are not a good target. When you get a good solid strong beep that is just as loud from all directions, dig your treasure. There's no doubt when it's locked onto something you should dig. I only dig trash when I go after the iffy targets. The TS is not the go to machine for max depth, iffy targets and recovering what others have missed. For that you want your PI. The Excal is a good machine that sort of works a little less deep than the PI but I would say is significantly deeper than the TS. I don't think there is a single machine that will do it all. Move that TS over some underwater area that has had swimmers in it and you'll find plenty to dig. Like Clive says in his book, if you find gold shallow go back and hunt it carefully with the PI and you'll find more. I see the TS as a fun scouting machine that'll easily get you all the gold that was left behind this season and will pay for itself in a short while. To recover last seasons targets you probably need a different machine. Jim
If you want to make sure, dig all the targets you hear moderatley strongly. After awhile you'll stop digging those as they are not a good target. When you get a good solid strong beep that is just as loud from all directions, dig your treasure. There's no doubt when it's locked onto something you should dig. I only dig trash when I go after the iffy targets. The TS is not the go to machine for max depth, iffy targets and recovering what others have missed. For that you want your PI. The Excal is a good machine that sort of works a little less deep than the PI but I would say is significantly deeper than the TS. I don't think there is a single machine that will do it all. Move that TS over some underwater area that has had swimmers in it and you'll find plenty to dig. Like Clive says in his book, if you find gold shallow go back and hunt it carefully with the PI and you'll find more. I see the TS as a fun scouting machine that'll easily get you all the gold that was left behind this season and will pay for itself in a short while. To recover last seasons targets you probably need a different machine. Jim
Hi grumpyoldman
This reply is not meant to be arguementative or mean spirited in any way. How can you say the T/S is a shallow detector, when you have not had it very long. I have went after some deep signals with with my T/S and some were good targets and some were trash. All detectors will signal on non-ferrous trash, it is up to the operator to find the goodies and dig alot to find out what he has under the search coil. To tell a person to dig up only the loud repeatable signals is just setting them up to pass up the good targets. I have helped quite a few people on this forum on how to ground balance their manual ground balanced Tesoros, because most people have not had experiance with them. It is not hard to do the G/B, but most people just look at this procedure as a 'black art' that only the pro's know how to do.
I like to mess with my ground balance on a known (not recent) deep buried target, and not some target that i just buried in the ground. See whether you get a better signal by going slightly positive on the ground balance or not. Sometimes a nuetral (factory recomended) ground balance setting is NOT the best setting!!! They don't explain the technique in the manual, but it can make a difference in the depth of the unit. Just my two zincs................Hombre
This reply is not meant to be arguementative or mean spirited in any way. How can you say the T/S is a shallow detector, when you have not had it very long. I have went after some deep signals with with my T/S and some were good targets and some were trash. All detectors will signal on non-ferrous trash, it is up to the operator to find the goodies and dig alot to find out what he has under the search coil. To tell a person to dig up only the loud repeatable signals is just setting them up to pass up the good targets. I have helped quite a few people on this forum on how to ground balance their manual ground balanced Tesoros, because most people have not had experiance with them. It is not hard to do the G/B, but most people just look at this procedure as a 'black art' that only the pro's know how to do.
I like to mess with my ground balance on a known (not recent) deep buried target, and not some target that i just buried in the ground. See whether you get a better signal by going slightly positive on the ground balance or not. Sometimes a nuetral (factory recomended) ground balance setting is NOT the best setting!!! They don't explain the technique in the manual, but it can make a difference in the depth of the unit. Just my two zincs................Hombre
grumpyolman
New member
hombre thanks for the tip about the positive balance. I'll try it. I haven't taken offense on what you said. I just see it as a little different perspective than I have.
No I haven't had the machine very long but in two trips I have found 4 nice gold things. I think what I was trying to say was go ahead and use the thing and don't worry about whether you have everything dialed in perfectly or dig everything as that's why you got a machine with discrimination on it. My discrimination is set between 2 & 3 and I quickly learned to stop digging rusty nails by the sound they made. I think I go home with more 'good' things when I selectively hunt rather than dig it all.
In my brief experience with the TS I don't think it's really all that different from other detectors. After a bit you get to know what is good and what is not by the sound. I think I was able to transfer that learning from othe machines. land and water, and got a pretty good handle on recovering the highest probablility targets. It's just my experience, but I wouldn't use the TS in an area where I thought there were really lots of deep targets. I'd want the BBS of the Excalibur or the depth of a PI to do that.
Sorry if I offended anyone, but I think the TS is just a nice solid beep and dig detector like the Silver UMax or the Ace 250. I have the E-Trac but I guy I once hunted with regularly outhunted me with the Ace. But...That's what makes the TS attractive to me. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles but has exactly enough to do the job. If you are going to specialize on deep and old, IMHO, the TS is not the machine of choice. However, you won't get mine from me. It's a keeper.
Thanks for politely pointing out antoher view. Jim
No I haven't had the machine very long but in two trips I have found 4 nice gold things. I think what I was trying to say was go ahead and use the thing and don't worry about whether you have everything dialed in perfectly or dig everything as that's why you got a machine with discrimination on it. My discrimination is set between 2 & 3 and I quickly learned to stop digging rusty nails by the sound they made. I think I go home with more 'good' things when I selectively hunt rather than dig it all.
In my brief experience with the TS I don't think it's really all that different from other detectors. After a bit you get to know what is good and what is not by the sound. I think I was able to transfer that learning from othe machines. land and water, and got a pretty good handle on recovering the highest probablility targets. It's just my experience, but I wouldn't use the TS in an area where I thought there were really lots of deep targets. I'd want the BBS of the Excalibur or the depth of a PI to do that.
Sorry if I offended anyone, but I think the TS is just a nice solid beep and dig detector like the Silver UMax or the Ace 250. I have the E-Trac but I guy I once hunted with regularly outhunted me with the Ace. But...That's what makes the TS attractive to me. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles but has exactly enough to do the job. If you are going to specialize on deep and old, IMHO, the TS is not the machine of choice. However, you won't get mine from me. It's a keeper.
Thanks for politely pointing out antoher view. Jim
Hello GOM and Hombre,
Thanks for the information. These are exactly the kinds of posts that are the most helpful to me, highly spirited and informative. Many times there is no debate or disagreement in the threads, but there is nothing to discern either, so this was good! I should have a Tiger Shark sometime next week. If I can sneak away from here I will let you know what I come up with. If I can do half as good initially as you did with yours Jim, I will be thrilled Thanks to the both of you!
Kind Regards,
Steve
Thanks for the information. These are exactly the kinds of posts that are the most helpful to me, highly spirited and informative. Many times there is no debate or disagreement in the threads, but there is nothing to discern either, so this was good! I should have a Tiger Shark sometime next week. If I can sneak away from here I will let you know what I come up with. If I can do half as good initially as you did with yours Jim, I will be thrilled Thanks to the both of you!
Kind Regards,
Steve
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I use NO disc., and only dig the good, solid sounds(that's just me). Batteries last forever between changes, and the Tiger Shark is one awesome freshwater machine!
grumpyolman
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I happened by a large computer supply store that is full of all kinds of electronic parts and test instruments. I was looking for a battery holder that would hold 8 AAs so I could connect 8 batteries at a time to my good quality charger. The battery holder was about $2 and I got it to charge rechargeables for the Tiger Shark. After closer examination the extra battery holder looked just like the one in the TIger Shark. I pulled the battery pack out of the Tiger Shark that came with it and the 'after market' holder is identical to the one supplied with the TIger Shark. Now I don't have to mess with changing 8 batteries, I just change battery packs. I would think that Radio Shack probably carries the same battery holder. I probably have 15-20 hours on the batteries that came with the unit and I'm still getting 5 beeps when I turn it on. They do seem to last forever. Jim
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Good info! I have been using my factory batteries for over a year(no wintertime hunting), and I still have 8 beeps, or at least I did this morning before hunting 3 hours. They keep going, and going and........
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....It's the truth!.......Hombre said:
jersey devl
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Another tip that Hombre passed on to me is to put a large zip tie around the clasps of the shark...they often get caught if you have shorts with pockets...THANKS HOMBRE!!! I know there has been at least 2x she might have opened up on me in rough waters.
Howdy David
I'll differ on the DD coil, I don't like em! It's concentric all the way for me, and I'll tell you why. Say you are in neck deep water with your Tiger Shark, and you have several signals close together with a DD coil, It would drive you crazy trying to seperate the targets in motion disc. mode. With a concentric coil you can pinpoint the target easier in motion disc mode. The fast and slow all metal mode is "ok" to pinpoint with, but using a slow cross sweep in motion disc mode is much faster and less frustrating to do and still recover targets at a fast rate. The name of the game is to dig solid signals quickly and efficiantly and move on to another target to get the gold. I have found lots of pulltabs, but thats the breaks, and coins are just a byproduct for me. At least the clad coins pays for the batterys.Natch, I have found some nice gold with rocks, but I hate to brag..........Hombre.
I'll differ on the DD coil, I don't like em! It's concentric all the way for me, and I'll tell you why. Say you are in neck deep water with your Tiger Shark, and you have several signals close together with a DD coil, It would drive you crazy trying to seperate the targets in motion disc. mode. With a concentric coil you can pinpoint the target easier in motion disc mode. The fast and slow all metal mode is "ok" to pinpoint with, but using a slow cross sweep in motion disc mode is much faster and less frustrating to do and still recover targets at a fast rate. The name of the game is to dig solid signals quickly and efficiantly and move on to another target to get the gold. I have found lots of pulltabs, but thats the breaks, and coins are just a byproduct for me. At least the clad coins pays for the batterys.Natch, I have found some nice gold with rocks, but I hate to brag..........Hombre.
grumpyolman
New member
I hip mount my TS and it's inside a protective bag belted to my waist. There's a small opening in the bottom for the cables to exit and the top is open enough to see the top of the control box. In that configuration I don't have to worry about the latches opening. However, I never thought of putting wire ties on em and it's good safety consideration. I remember my old Garrett Sea Hunter came that way and as part of the warranty back then, if the cable ties were removed the warranty was voided cuz it meant you went inside and apparently they didn't like the average bear trying to re-seal it. Thanks for the tip! Jim
Heres my two bits on the TS:
I have used most of the freshwater machines out there and there are only two I would stake any long term use on:
Fisher 1280 and the Tiger Shark
The T-Shark is a tad heavy, and its not my first choice on dry land. But it was meant to be used in the water, after all, where it's own buoyancy offsets the weight. I cannot stand body or chest mounting as it really monkeys with the balance when you get into the water. I also find the underarm mount to be a bother, generally. I settled on the standard below-the-hand mount on the pole, which balances the weight perfectly.
Where there is iron present, it is a treat. It pops, clicks and shortbeeps over small iron, while letting large iron through. Last year I found a nice pocket knife because of this. If it DISC'd out all iron, including the large stuff, I would have missed that knife.
It has a raspy edge to the large iron though, once you get used to it. Between this and the clicking/popping response of small iron, it is a great iron discriminator.
I run my DISC on 2-3, most of the time, which gives me the described effects.
And don't worry about that ED180 vs. 120 crap. That's for yakking about on the forums. Out in the real world of water hunting, the stuff you want to find in the water 'aint down at the bottom of the phase range (180), so what matters if it goes down there?
You need to discern small iron, get used to large iron and pick up anything else from foil on up. The Tiger Shark does that.
The SENS on the TS will get you in trouble. Try not to mess with it, as it comes from the factory. If you do, move it in minute increments only. Then try it before you make more adjustments. I repeat, do not get happy handed with the SENS.
DO turn the threshold up a touch from factory. This makes all responses sharper. And turn the volume upnear max.
I have used most of the freshwater machines out there and there are only two I would stake any long term use on:
Fisher 1280 and the Tiger Shark
The T-Shark is a tad heavy, and its not my first choice on dry land. But it was meant to be used in the water, after all, where it's own buoyancy offsets the weight. I cannot stand body or chest mounting as it really monkeys with the balance when you get into the water. I also find the underarm mount to be a bother, generally. I settled on the standard below-the-hand mount on the pole, which balances the weight perfectly.
Where there is iron present, it is a treat. It pops, clicks and shortbeeps over small iron, while letting large iron through. Last year I found a nice pocket knife because of this. If it DISC'd out all iron, including the large stuff, I would have missed that knife.
It has a raspy edge to the large iron though, once you get used to it. Between this and the clicking/popping response of small iron, it is a great iron discriminator.
I run my DISC on 2-3, most of the time, which gives me the described effects.
And don't worry about that ED180 vs. 120 crap. That's for yakking about on the forums. Out in the real world of water hunting, the stuff you want to find in the water 'aint down at the bottom of the phase range (180), so what matters if it goes down there?
You need to discern small iron, get used to large iron and pick up anything else from foil on up. The Tiger Shark does that.
The SENS on the TS will get you in trouble. Try not to mess with it, as it comes from the factory. If you do, move it in minute increments only. Then try it before you make more adjustments. I repeat, do not get happy handed with the SENS.
DO turn the threshold up a touch from factory. This makes all responses sharper. And turn the volume upnear max.