Tesoro Tejon with a small twist?? Just a thought......!

[M.L. Hinds]

I have been looking a Tesoro lately and finally bought a Golden Umax which should be here next week! I guess I just wanna an easy and light detector sometimes ( I have four other detectors ) . Anyway I have been tossing this around in my mind for a couple days and have to ask?????????? Why cant Tesoro take the Tejon and add a wide/narrow notch to it as well as the disc and alt disc? I would think the information from a detector with this option would be the ultimate solution for nickles and rings!! I think the Shadows were heading the right way just short a couple more bells and whistles!! Maybe I sound a little crazy but to me it makes sence to have a notch on the Tejon along with the ability to trigger the alt disc and disc.. Please post your thoughts!!? I may be asking to much here

M.L. Hinds

 

[Scully]

and relic hunter never use notch. They (Tesoro) already had the Golden plus the Cortes with notch.

 

[M.L. Hinds]

Scully,

If I'm not mistaken the Tejon gets better depth than the Cortes or Golden? I was thinking of the technology in the Tejon being used in a coin-jewlery detector Not to say anything bad about the Tejon just thinking out loud!! With 2 discs and the ability to notch wide and narrow groups of targets out and the depth I would think it would open a whole new window in the ground to find coins in "hunted out sites" Nothing will probably come of my request but I sure am wondering!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have heard the Vaquero uses the same technology And I guess you could do as others do and thumb the control but you still would lack the notch.

Take Care, M.L. Hinds

 

[dan b]

Here's my opinion.

When I had my Golden, I kept the disc low, and when I got a higher tone, I would thumb the disc. I dug a lot of coins in the first 5" of soil. The thing is, when you thumb the disc, you are also dialing away the depth. I did get a deep coin in moist soil (9") but I didn't thumb the disc on that one. It was a copper penny so it sounded great right out of the gate. I was quite happy with the performance of the Golden, and I just figured that there weren't any deep coins where I was hunting. Then I bought the Cortes. I keep the disc low, just a bit off the stop, and use the display to determine what to dig. I went over some of the very same places and was amazed at the amount of coins I found under what the Golden detected. I was, and still am, routinely digging coins in the 8" to 10" range. It's my opinion, based off of my experiences, that you will dig deeper coins with the Cortes if you hunt with the disc low. I suppose hunting in AM (as the ID still works) would be better yet. I had a Tejon too, and later this year I plan to return to some of the areas I hunted with it. I never had very many really deep coins, and like the Golden, I just assumed that there weren't any. I hope to prove myself wrong.

So my choice for an updated detector would be to give the Cortes the HOT circuitry of the Tejon, give it an optional tone mode, update the display (but keep the same functionality) and leave the rest alone. Oh yes, also have the manual GB effect the disc mode. The pre-set GB in disc hasn't been a problem for me, but in other areas it may be.

Dan

 

[S.TexasKevin]

While we are putting our ideas in, I would like a switch in my Tejon that will allow me to hunt the salt water edge.

 

[WilliamJB]

Somehow I do not think Tesoro really cares what their customers want in terms of letting their customers guide product development. They seem just happy to keep doing what they have always done and let other companies cut into their market share. They seem like a great company for customer service or their products and they definately make some killer machines just not what a lot of people want!

Now since I am the new guy I do not know how this industry works? Maybe the entire industry is like this and they just build what ever they feel like building and hopefully it will sell but that is not how we do it in the automotive industry today. In fact when looking through Tesoro's catalog you can tell that their is not a central guideing principal or design element when you start looking at the models and what they offer. After a few models it is just a jumble of options add here delete their blah blah blah............ It is more like they are jusdge repackageing what they already have and calling it a different product. Now I am not saying that is exactly all their is just that is how it feels. They never really give you all the features you want in any one product this way you have to have mltiple detectors hence more sales. For example take the Tejon I want one bad but not how they are sold. I like the HOT technology and the higher Khz freq. range used and the power out put but instead of an alternate discrimanation that is switch actuated i would rather have a graphical target ID. Tesoro does not make a Graphical Target ID model that operates above their 10Khz bread and butter antiques I mean mainstays........ How hard is it to switch between all metal and discrimanate????? That entire second function of an alternative discrimanation circuit is fluff!!! If they wanted to add a usefulk function more notch settings and smart settings to allow you to look for a specific signal after one has been detected in the environment and an auto ground ballance that can be switch actuated for auto or manual etc............. I think it is a problem of group think which often hits small companies. Everyone starts to think alike and before you know it they have stale product line up! I think they need some new blood in that company just to breath some new life intot he product R&D and Marketing programs!!!!

What they need to be asking themselfs is what is selling like hot cakes right now? How can we cut into their market share? How can be do it one better in terms of cost and performance? How come we did not think of this first? How can we postion ourselfs to react faster to changes int he market and the customer base? Before we decide to build a product or delete one from the inventory what questions do we need to be asking ourselfs about this product? How many products do we want to have in the catalog at any one time? How long do we want to continue with a model and design before we redesign to add features or improve performance? Can we make our designs more modular so that production cost can be reduced with out any loss in performance or durability. Can this same modular formatt allow use to easily and quickly expand or shrink any product quickly to allow us to adapt to changeing market demands with out any additional tooling cost's?


Imagine if they had 2-3 main boards with 2-3 additional boards that added options. So now instead of haveing all these different boards for each model you would simply select the base board for the main chateristics you where after then add the right optional card to get the rest of the features. This would let you add Graphical target ID to any of the three main boards and each of the optional acc. cards would have some combination of popular options. When you look at how samll their boards are you could easily fit more then one into a case. Imagine haveing your VLF detector and a PI detector all in one rig with a switch to change modes. You would be able to go from Hot Rock's in Alaska to the salty water beach's in the flip of a switch. What is that you want to save batteries and speed up the target id well then just flip the switch to tone id only and shut the graphical user interface down all together!!!! Go big or go home!!!LOL

 

[trueblue]

That entire second function of an alternative discrimanation circuit is fluff!!!

one mans fluff is anothers treasure I think the Tejon is awesome just how it is , I also belive whatever changes that Tesoro made would never be appreciated as ya cant please all ! some are just born whingers

 

[markg]

The Tejon was designed to find it all, right down to the nail, that reveals the location of possible human activity.
And that's what relic hunters are after.

and relic hunter never use notch. They (Tesoro) already had the Golden plus the Cortes with notch.

 

[Wayne/TX]

..W

 

[Sven]

One thing everyone has to remember is that , there are not as many metal detector customers out there to sustain a small business as there are automobile customers. So Tesoro like many other companies may make metal detectors but, they also make other electronic products etc. that are not related to metal detectors. Otherwise they couldn't stay in business. Be glad there is a company like Tesoro whose owners love metal detectors and give top notch service that provide a quality products that gets the job done. Look at it this way, they produce a detector for beginner, intermediate and advanced treasure hunter with a models that cover coinshooting, relic hunting or relic-coinshooting. Oh not to forget--water hunting. Right now they have all bases covered. People buy and enjoy thier machines and everyone's happy. If they do come out with a new metal detector, it better stand out amongst the crowd of machines out there.

The only detector that they currently make that I love and hate is the Tigershark. Can't stand the signal tone, one reason I got rid of it a number of years ago. I found tons of gold and silver with it.....................great detector!!! An ajustable tone control like the Tejon would be great, even it if was just anjustable pot inside the case.

 

[slowmotion]

I have been detecting since 1980 . I have used a tesoro since 1985 and have had one or more since.I have a stingray 2, tejon and CZ 7. I dont want tesoro to change anything on the tejon. A company will lose a lot trying to please everyone and they never will. If you want different performance try different coils. I use a 8x9, 5x10 wide scan and 5 1/2 HOT concentric. My standard is the 5x10. Use low disc.and go slow. Being lighter wight than most I D machines it wont were you out swing just digging. I hope this helps

 

[slingshot]

You can make an effective notch detector out of your Tejon. Set the #1 disc at just below nickel. Set the #2 disc where the MAJORITY of pulltabs break up(make sure you don't use one of the square ones that register as nickel). Now, when you get a signal, go to #2 disc. and (1) if it goes silent, it's in the nickel range, (2) if it breaks up, it's in the tab range, and (3) if it stays strong, it's in the coin range. You can increase the notch width for nickels by putting #1 disc at a lower initial setting, like light foil. You will still get zincers and screwcaps, however. I've added a "tab check" switch to my Silver to do this, sorta like making it a mini-Tejon.

 

[David]

Somehow I do not think Tesoro really cares what their customers want in terms of letting their customers guide product development. They seem just happy to keep doing what they have always done and let other companies cut into their market share. They seem like a great company for customer service or their products and they definately make some killer machines just not what a lot of people want! by WilliamJB

I agree in a way because I would want the Lobo ST's Auto Trac(automatic gound balancing) technology put on the Vaquero, Tejon, and Cortes and get rid of the manual ground balance knob. Also put a small window VDI meter on the Vaquero and Tejon as well. Now then that would be as close to perfect a machine as a person can get with the Tesoros!!!....Tesoro are you listening.

 

[steve 1]

It is my opinion that big is not always better, and not every company out there is trying to build wealth beyond your wildest dreams. I believe it would be basically impossible, to build a PRACTICAL detector that did everything in an optimum way, in every situation, under every condition , every time. Tesoro is smart,, they found a niche in the market, and they stick with what works.. If you ever have any doubt whatsoever, try this.. go rope off an area where you know there are coins, and trash. Thoroughly check the area with any detector you want, THE OTHER TOP BRANDS,,, .. When you think you got all of the goodies out,,, go check it again with Tesoros least expensive detector,, The Compadre for instance.. And you will see,, why Tesoro does not need to try to keep up with the Joneses.. YOU WILL find good things the others missed. Also,, look at the resale value of a Tesoro.. is there any better? You have to remember,, some things work when it comes to electronics and some things dont. The laws of physics dont change. Tesoro has done a fine job with its detectors finding that : happy medium:. . They cannot cater to every persons wants... Although it would be nice!!! I for instance would like a 4 inch coil for the cibola, variable pitch for different metals, and a battery test switch,, and get rid of the freq shift switch..

 

[Bill in Texas]

I was in business many years for myself (not the metal detector business thank goodness). Every time I had merchandise that I lost money on it was something that I designed for or carried for a customer. If Tesoro takes customers recommendations with a grain of salt I understand. That does not mean, not to recommend things to Tesoro, but just do not expect them incorporate them. I am sure they like to hear any ideas that would improve there detectors and will use them as they see fit. There is a old saying that goes like this. "One man can not count another man's money" Nope I am not connected with Tesoro in any way, except I like there detectors. Bill In Texas Inca, Vaquero, Silver Umax