I just talked with a dealer and he is not selling many tesoroes, he says mostly the garrett ace 250 and 350 are going off the self at an alarming rate, and the AT pro detectors, whites have been slow and mine labs machines exempt the excall and E track and i said it seems to me that the weasoned detectorists like the tesoroes, and he agreed with me , by the way this dealer loves the silver umax its one of his favorite detectors, but i think the training wheels atract most new buyers but after some time the hard liners like the tesoroes, and I am one I think those who try a tesoro end up liking them or coming back for another one, some brand i have no disire to go back to some you could not give me . and they do have great costomer service