This is for you guys who have owned or own a few Tesoro, and I know there are many of you !!!.....Out of all the Tesoro's that you have owned over the years, which model (s) stands out the most as far as language goes ? .....What I mean by this is that I continue to hear about how guys will hear their detector talking to them , with it's own langquate .....I use my brothers Silver uMax from time to time in tot lots , and I don't really notice that it has much of a language .... It's BEEP is pretty much just that ...a beep ..... I don't noice much crackling, or popping , or any other character to the tone or language if you will that would make me think one way or the other about a target that I'm hearing ..... Most of you know by now that I hunt with an E Trac and a Sovereign GT .....Both machines have pitch changes depending on conductivity of the target to aid in determining what your target is ...... Which Tesoro's really talk to you that help you distinguish what it is that you are hearing ? .....Thanks, Jim
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Tesoro language ??
- Thread starter synthnut
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Jim, As I said before, (not to be redundant) I am looking very hard at the Etrac as my second machine.
I cut my teeth in trashy places with my Tejon.
Just as humans use voice inflection to emphasise certain words in effort to communicate, the more time you spend with the tejon the more you learn it's language.
Hard to describe, but you just suddenly break through and are in sync with the machine. It's like learning something like martial arts, repeated moves form "muscle memory" and reactions become sort of instinctive. Same idea with your association of sound and target. The length, the beginning, the end, the size of the field, the volume, the quality, the repeatability, the change from one disc to another and what does that do, swing speed, height over target, twitching, thumbing the main disc while doing some swing variations, all those things in various combinations or alone help indicate a target with a high degree of accuracy.
Check out the field tests on the Tejon from Tesoro's website for opinions from experts, which I am not.
Good luck huntin. Patrick
I cut my teeth in trashy places with my Tejon.
Just as humans use voice inflection to emphasise certain words in effort to communicate, the more time you spend with the tejon the more you learn it's language.
Hard to describe, but you just suddenly break through and are in sync with the machine. It's like learning something like martial arts, repeated moves form "muscle memory" and reactions become sort of instinctive. Same idea with your association of sound and target. The length, the beginning, the end, the size of the field, the volume, the quality, the repeatability, the change from one disc to another and what does that do, swing speed, height over target, twitching, thumbing the main disc while doing some swing variations, all those things in various combinations or alone help indicate a target with a high degree of accuracy.
Check out the field tests on the Tejon from Tesoro's website for opinions from experts, which I am not.
Good luck huntin. Patrick
3-StarJ.R.
New member
Jim, my experience, which covers more than 25 years, has mostly been limited to the silver sabers. I trust what I'm hearing from my Silver Saber plus. Don't know if it is any different circuitry wise than the other silvers, and I don't think it is, but this one machine tells it tale as good as it can be.Very, very rarely am I disappointed on what I expect to be coming out of the holes I dig, junk or treasure, with this one machine......
Jim
Jim
Hey synth nut
The older Tesoros are the ones to get, they run quieter in the rusty nails and find non-ferrous items among the nails too. I like the models with adjustable ground balance. My wife started out with a Tesoro in 1994 and bought herself a brand new Toltec ll. This was Tesoro's second attempt of providing the hobbiest with a target ID metal detector. At the time I was using White's newest target ID instrument, the XLT, which is a fine detector also. My wife was soon finding as much as I was with my XLT, and she was doing very well in the old house sites, and vacant lots where old houses once stood. These types of hunting grounds have one thing in common, lots and lots of rusty nails in the ground. Soon, I realised that the Tesoro was more superior in the iron trash than the XLT was and I found myself borrowing (sneaking off with) her Toltec ll.
Our second Tesoro was bought in 2002, This was the then brand new, just released, Tiger Shark. The Tiger Shark was the third in line of Tesoro's venture of producing a underwater detector. The Tiger Shark was advertised as having the ground balance and features similar to the Bandido. The Tiger Shark soon earned it's keep by find a gold ring on it's first trip to a popular swimming beach at a nearby lake. This got me to thinking about a Bandido for land use, since the Tiger Shark was so good. A friend of mine was a small Tesoro dealer (where the Wife bought the Toltec ll) and he had a NOS Bandido (original) still in the box with papers. Needless to say, I snapped it up and have been happy with it for 9 yrs. It is one of my favorite early Tesoros circa 1992.
The original Bandido will certainly let you know when a non-ferrous target is in the ground, and it does have a language that is not hard to understand. Using one for a long time and actually digging targets up will help with the learning process. I have many hours on my old Tesoros, and have enjoyed every minute of it. Location is the key to success, if there are no old coins, jewelery, relics, or other cool stuff in the ground......you will not find it with a $1500 detector. Good luck in your quest for the perfect metal detector, because there are'nt any ones out there yet. The old Bandido comes close in the right old places, but you got to dig to find out. Treasure mimics trash as you will soon find out. If you leave a pulltab in the ground, it may have cost you the find of a lifetime.
The older Tesoros are the ones to get, they run quieter in the rusty nails and find non-ferrous items among the nails too. I like the models with adjustable ground balance. My wife started out with a Tesoro in 1994 and bought herself a brand new Toltec ll. This was Tesoro's second attempt of providing the hobbiest with a target ID metal detector. At the time I was using White's newest target ID instrument, the XLT, which is a fine detector also. My wife was soon finding as much as I was with my XLT, and she was doing very well in the old house sites, and vacant lots where old houses once stood. These types of hunting grounds have one thing in common, lots and lots of rusty nails in the ground. Soon, I realised that the Tesoro was more superior in the iron trash than the XLT was and I found myself borrowing (sneaking off with) her Toltec ll.
Our second Tesoro was bought in 2002, This was the then brand new, just released, Tiger Shark. The Tiger Shark was the third in line of Tesoro's venture of producing a underwater detector. The Tiger Shark was advertised as having the ground balance and features similar to the Bandido. The Tiger Shark soon earned it's keep by find a gold ring on it's first trip to a popular swimming beach at a nearby lake. This got me to thinking about a Bandido for land use, since the Tiger Shark was so good. A friend of mine was a small Tesoro dealer (where the Wife bought the Toltec ll) and he had a NOS Bandido (original) still in the box with papers. Needless to say, I snapped it up and have been happy with it for 9 yrs. It is one of my favorite early Tesoros circa 1992.
The original Bandido will certainly let you know when a non-ferrous target is in the ground, and it does have a language that is not hard to understand. Using one for a long time and actually digging targets up will help with the learning process. I have many hours on my old Tesoros, and have enjoyed every minute of it. Location is the key to success, if there are no old coins, jewelery, relics, or other cool stuff in the ground......you will not find it with a $1500 detector. Good luck in your quest for the perfect metal detector, because there are'nt any ones out there yet. The old Bandido comes close in the right old places, but you got to dig to find out. Treasure mimics trash as you will soon find out. If you leave a pulltab in the ground, it may have cost you the find of a lifetime.
Thanks for the info guys ....I appreciate it ...... I'm somewhat surprised that the models mentioned are pretty much all over the place .....There are no two answers the same .....just as no 2 poeple hear things the same way ..... I somehow thought that there would be at least 2 people commenting on the same machine ....Interesting !!....Keep em coming !!....Jim
BarberBill
New member
It took me many hours of detecting, but I've gotten to where I can usually get a pretty good idea as to whether the target is a goody or most likely trash from subtle differences in the sound. That, and thumbing the disc knob most of the time will ID the target pretty well. I couldn't describe the differences in the beep so that anyone else could immediately do the same thing - takes time and experience to reach this point.
BB
BB
The Tejon has a distinct language of it's own, in VCO pinpoint mode you can tell the depth of the target by it's tone. You can also tell if it's a pice of jewelry with the VCO pinpoint mode by the distinct audio the Tejon makes. Silver is very smooth toned while Trash or iron is very crisp with a distinct after tone when the coil is pulled away from it. The older silvers with the pinpoint button have a very smooth tone on silver and hits hard and crisp on gold jewelry. The Compadre has it's own language on coins as well. I can tell you before I dig a dime with a Compadre. To me they all have their own distinct language. Just gotta spend some time with them and not be discouraged when learning them....
Darkflight
New member
And there is a lot in that one tone.
Sharp tones etc...Don't mean as much as wether the tone is solid or not.I can tell a aluminum can by the "brightness" of the tone even when burried deep. But I will still dig it up if I can.I only pass on non repeatable targets. I may be missing some goodies but you have to draw the line somewhere.
The way a target hits on the 1st pass is what will have me stop & snoop it out.If I can't get a solid tone after a bit of short fast sweeps its gonna be trash most likely. I can call about 90% of the bottlecaps as they break up on fast sweeps.Pulltabs are all over the map as far as disc goes. I dig anything solid like I said & they do ring nice & solid.
What I really like about my machines-The Silver & a Troy X2-is they don't lie.Being able to trust what the machine tells you goes a long way in digging with confidence there is a target for you to find.
Target ID machines lie from what I've seen & heard. Some more than others-but like I said confidence in the machine is really critical to me.
Sharp tones etc...Don't mean as much as wether the tone is solid or not.I can tell a aluminum can by the "brightness" of the tone even when burried deep. But I will still dig it up if I can.I only pass on non repeatable targets. I may be missing some goodies but you have to draw the line somewhere.
The way a target hits on the 1st pass is what will have me stop & snoop it out.If I can't get a solid tone after a bit of short fast sweeps its gonna be trash most likely. I can call about 90% of the bottlecaps as they break up on fast sweeps.Pulltabs are all over the map as far as disc goes. I dig anything solid like I said & they do ring nice & solid.
What I really like about my machines-The Silver & a Troy X2-is they don't lie.Being able to trust what the machine tells you goes a long way in digging with confidence there is a target for you to find.
Target ID machines lie from what I've seen & heard. Some more than others-but like I said confidence in the machine is really critical to me.
Seems like older units of many brands have more audio variances but don't have all the newfangled bells and whistles...as way back ardent detectorists went by sound..Try an older Tesoro notch unit in pinpoint for starters as they tell a lot to dig or not...Hard to explain and takes hours in the field and a trained ear but audio variances exist..and really cut down my odds to dig or not...
I made a comment a while back about the importance of spending time with ANY machine .....Looks like you guys agree with me on that statement ..... I'm going to spend a little more time with my brohters Silver uMax and see if can begin to read it a little better .... It disciminatese iron very well , but that's about it .....The resot of the discrim. knob is close to useless ....It may need an internal adjustment ....?????...... I was also in hopes that there would be a Tesoro that stuck out in the crowd , that really had a significant language that was head and shoulders above the rest ...... I see now that the older machines might be the ones to check out , but you really do have to spend time with ANY of the machines you get to hear the "very fine" nuances of the tones on these things ...... I can REALLY see the importance of good phones running these babies !!.... I'm sure too that most of you that REALLY know your machine have spent MANY HOURS /DAYS / MONTHS learning the slightest of nuances of your machine .... I'm glad that I posted this thread ....Some of the things that I've heard here I already knew, but frankly , I'm surprised that there is no real SPECIAL machine .....and now I understand why some guys have so many of them ....They're ALL special in one way or another ..... I can understand more now on why so many enjoy this machine other than it being light , and cheap ......Keep the replies coming !!.....I'm enjoying the rread ....Thanks, Jim
digitaltim
New member
I agree with everything you've said about the silver umax.... I've heard it's better with the 5.75" coil.
I understand the vaquero's language far better than I do the silver umax, but I'm using the 5.75" on the vaq and stock on the silver.
Just some food for thought there
I understand the vaquero's language far better than I do the silver umax, but I'm using the 5.75" on the vaq and stock on the silver.
Just some food for thought there
dirt doctor
Well-known member
After a day of tiring myself out after 5hrs. with my heavy TID (not a Tesoro machine ) Saturday . I used my Troy X-2 for another 5hrs. yesterday . I definitely heard slight tonal variance with it and the coin check `is the bomb !! I think If I were to use this machine more ( which I plan too ) I could learn the tones very well I was already starting to hear the difference between the zinc and nickels .I would never limit myself to one machine though unless economic conditions forced me to .
Rebel1
Member
Do any of you use a Sidewinder. I just picked one up fro a fell. It operates at 12 Khz like the Compadre but has a sensitivity adj. knob like the Silver Umax and a pinpoint button like the Cibola, with a toggle to switch from a silent search motion disc. to a threshold motion free all metal. And you can change coils on it unlike the Compadre. When i got it it didn't seem to be working right so i sent it back to Tesoro for a tune up. They will receive it today and i hope to have it back in a week or so. But anyway, any of you that use one. What do you think of it?