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Tell me about your SE and deep iron signals...

B

Big Fang Coin Biter

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I know most folks have heard my story of not liking the way my SE hit on deep iron. Here is the problem I had: A square nail at 8 to 10" sounded just like a coin at the same depth (initially and at 90 deg.). On my Explorer II, 97% of those targets would null out once I swept the target at 90 deg. This is with both machines set: conductive sounds, Iron mask with an eighth inch of the left side discriminated out, manual sens. as high as possible and still run smooth.

Here is the question for you experienced SE users: When you get a deep iron hit (say a straight square nail), do you get a high tone "false" signal one way, then a null if you turn 90 deg? I would be interested in what you hear on this type of signal in conductive sounds.

Any help would be appreciated. I am thinking about trying out my SE again - I would love to use the SE and enjoy it.

Thank you and HH - BF
 
I do. That doesn't mean that there isn't a goodie waiting to be dug. I've made some good finds digging the one way iron signals. Sometimes they are nails. Sometimes there aren't. The only thing I do before digging is to pinpoint with the Se. I watch the smart screen to see where the cursor goes. If it locks on iron then it probably is. If it bounces around a bit and doesn't lock on iron I digging. One of the square nails I dug yesterday had a flying eagle penny next to it.
 
So far my experience has been that if it truly nulls on the 90 degree turn, it's a ferrous target (nail or other) more often than not. If I get any sign of signal through the turn or in another direction, sometimes it turns out to be a masked target. About the only thing that fools me by sounding good at both angles are those darn screw caps. But I still recover them, since "ya just never know."
 
BF if you use pro coil you have to expect this, but you allways can go to old 1050 and your SE will work like explorer 2. but like other said SE have best pinpoint in explorers and this is how you can check. or try SEF coil maybe its will be better for you. good luck Stasys
 
The comment about pinpointing and it staying in the iron range and not moving is pretty accurate for me. I still think the SE has a VERY GOOD TID even at that depth. Those darn screw caps do sound really good at 9 inches. I dig them to, even thou i noticed they arent in the target range i want to dig. I think its just wishful thinking. We all know we can unintentionally MAKE the tone of iron sound good just by the angle and wiggle of the coil. Getting the target out toward the tip helps. I get that sweet tone often from a poor angle or to fast of a sweep speed. I dont like digging those nails... but im not looking for a reason not to dig. Ill take my chances and play the odds for that occasional DEEP coin. Better get out there BF the soil right now is premo for digging and TID. I was digging silver at 9+ inches yesterday..... with a SWEET sound.

Dew
 
I've got about 3 years with the SE and hunt conductive, pretty low IM, etc. I own a number of coils but I kind of lean on the Pro & SEF 12x10 coils most of the time.

In my area nails (square and older round), bolts, and sometimes oddly shaped pieces of old steel sometimes shriek at a super high octave and are clearly identifiable as steel trash.

However there are times that these same items come in a pitch just a small bit higher than my
 
The increments aren't the same in IRON MASK on the 2 machines. The Explorer has 16 points for the resolution (comes factory set at 6) and I think the SE has 32 double the ammount (factory set at 18 I think) so even though you have what appears to be the "same" amount of it blacked out on their screens the "real" amount isn't the same thus the "nulling" you get on the explorer and not on the SE. You may have to run double or more the ammount of black on the SE to equal what you have on your Explorer in Iron Mask. See what the setting number is on the Explorer and what that corresponds to for the SE number wise, not amount picture wise on the screen.
 
Just an idea, have you tried to run ferrous sounds? In conductive sounds the XS I had and also the SE would drive me nuts and force me to use some iron mask. In ferrous sounds, I dont use any iron mask and it is awesome in iron. The only drawback is that non ferrous metal will make a higher tone but silver and copper still have their own sounds, run variability at max. Vary rarely do I dig nails with the XS or SE, the times that I do it is me trying to hard. If you feel you need to run conductive, you may need to crank up the iron mask.
 
So the wiggle is less reliable for you? I have always depended on the wiggle to more or less be the determining factor. Maybe that is part of the problem.
Thanks - BF
 
I run the EII iron mask at -13 most of the time. Any idea what the SE setting would be, that would be the same? I always figured the width of the discriminated out area should be the same... I guess I may have been wrong. I can hardly imagine making the disc'd area twice as large on the IM screen though.

You and the other guys have convinced me to get the SE out of moth balls and try it again. I really never gave it a chance after ML put new guts in it. I was too disappointed and lost trust in the machine.

Thank you and HH - BF
 
I get a null most of the time. Also i noticed the target moves from where i thought it was. I may try from several angles if i think i have something. The Explorers do a pretty good job on targets next to iron. I think the real bad target for me is a deep bolt...... i just like their sound. I use 26 IM with sensitivity set at 24 manual. Ive found that just works for me here in Ind. If there isnt much iron i run 28 IM. If im hunting fields.... i use the same settings in FERR. Fantastic tone on IHs, buttons, and those LCs. Yet you dont loose that distinctive sound silver gives you. I mention this because i know you hunted with Neal some.

Dew
 
This is exactly what I wanted to ask! Thanks for making this post!
 
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