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Tejon Vs Cibola
- Thread starter SC_Dave
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Doug[Manila]
New member
Hi Dave,
I think difference is always relative to what you intend to do with it. What hunting do you do?
If you intend just coinshoot a park and don't have mineralized soil or intend to use a different sized coil, you don't need a unit with GB. If you are into relic hunting and sure to hit some bad ground, get either a Vaquero or a Tejon.
I think difference is always relative to what you intend to do with it. What hunting do you do?
If you intend just coinshoot a park and don't have mineralized soil or intend to use a different sized coil, you don't need a unit with GB. If you are into relic hunting and sure to hit some bad ground, get either a Vaquero or a Tejon.
Thanks Doug and Wirechief. I really appreciate the info. I'm still listening for anyone else that wants to help me decide. I use a Minelab Sovereign now. I relic hunt just about exclusively. Sometimes around trashy areas as buildings and/or construction is being done in areas that might hold relics. Hope this helps you to understand better how I intend to use it.
David
David
Doug[Manila]
New member
Dave,
I also have a Sov but if its relic hunting I would reach for a Tesoro as they are hot on brass, bronze & copper and do not null on iron. If you hit a trash infested area, a small coil is a must.
In my experience, Sov is better on higher conductive items such as silver coins and larger relics such as musketballs but they leave more relics in the ground that a Tesoro can be more sensitive to such as brass buttons, buckles & bronze coins (chinese).
I've owned a Bandido 2 uMax & a Conquistador uMax and currently have the Vaquero. Tesoro discrimination is first rate. Suggest either the Tejon or Vaquero.
HH,
Doug
I also have a Sov but if its relic hunting I would reach for a Tesoro as they are hot on brass, bronze & copper and do not null on iron. If you hit a trash infested area, a small coil is a must.
In my experience, Sov is better on higher conductive items such as silver coins and larger relics such as musketballs but they leave more relics in the ground that a Tesoro can be more sensitive to such as brass buttons, buckles & bronze coins (chinese).
I've owned a Bandido 2 uMax & a Conquistador uMax and currently have the Vaquero. Tesoro discrimination is first rate. Suggest either the Tejon or Vaquero.
HH,
Doug
If you can ground balance a detector get the Tejon. It will work better in bad ground. If you don't want to ground balance get the Cibola. It takes effort to keep the Tejon GB'D but is easily done with one hand once you get it down. It has surprised me with targets
found in places I already hunted, just be sure you have a good digging tool with this one. This thing goes deeper than anything I have. I left a target in a park with low minerals. The Explorer XS barely saw it untill I turned down the sensitvity to 15 then it came in real clear. Any way the Tejon bangs it hard no mater where the sensitivity is 0 or 11, with the coil on the ground or a few inches in the air. This thing always puts a smile on my face.
Mikie
found in places I already hunted, just be sure you have a good digging tool with this one. This thing goes deeper than anything I have. I left a target in a park with low minerals. The Explorer XS barely saw it untill I turned down the sensitvity to 15 then it came in real clear. Any way the Tejon bangs it hard no mater where the sensitivity is 0 or 11, with the coil on the ground or a few inches in the air. This thing always puts a smile on my face.
Mikie
christian_99
New member
If you own a Sov or any other machine, I few months ago I posted a test for everyone to try. I have a few other machines and the only machines that could past this test were the Tesoro units!!! Truly!!!
Here is the test, an easy one at that; Take a sqaure nail and hold it next to a nickel in one hand and turn your Sov on and see if you can detect the nickel. More than likely the machine will pause and the tone will go down and null on the objects. If you were digging you would walk right on by and not think anything of the signal. I tried doing this with the Explorer at various settings and it could not indicate that there was a good signal- only marginal pitch changes that would again, make one ignore the signal and not dig.
The machines I own are the Tesoro Bandido, Cibola, Vaquero, Exp, Sov, Fisher 1266, GTA 1000 ultra, PI machine, and another very cheap machine.
So on all machines, other than all metal each machine discriminated out both the iron nail and the nickle other than the Tesoro machines.
I could put the nail in front of the nickle and it would still read the coin at disc set below iron on the C and V, and on the Bandido, the disc was at ZERO!!! Even with the disc set at just below nickle on both the C and V, they still got the coin each time.
Summary, all Tesoro machines were able to detect the coin with a great signal with the iron nail next to, in front of, and behind the coin- while all of the other machines listed did not. Again, try this yourself and truly have an EPIPHANY at the sites you have been to and dug, sites that you literally walked right over stuff and left it behind. Sure the Sov is a great machine, the tones are fantastic; however if you have any nails next to coins, buttons, rings, the things you are looking for- well you and others have left them there unless you dig in all metal.
Here is the test, an easy one at that; Take a sqaure nail and hold it next to a nickel in one hand and turn your Sov on and see if you can detect the nickel. More than likely the machine will pause and the tone will go down and null on the objects. If you were digging you would walk right on by and not think anything of the signal. I tried doing this with the Explorer at various settings and it could not indicate that there was a good signal- only marginal pitch changes that would again, make one ignore the signal and not dig.
The machines I own are the Tesoro Bandido, Cibola, Vaquero, Exp, Sov, Fisher 1266, GTA 1000 ultra, PI machine, and another very cheap machine.
So on all machines, other than all metal each machine discriminated out both the iron nail and the nickle other than the Tesoro machines.
I could put the nail in front of the nickle and it would still read the coin at disc set below iron on the C and V, and on the Bandido, the disc was at ZERO!!! Even with the disc set at just below nickle on both the C and V, they still got the coin each time.
Summary, all Tesoro machines were able to detect the coin with a great signal with the iron nail next to, in front of, and behind the coin- while all of the other machines listed did not. Again, try this yourself and truly have an EPIPHANY at the sites you have been to and dug, sites that you literally walked right over stuff and left it behind. Sure the Sov is a great machine, the tones are fantastic; however if you have any nails next to coins, buttons, rings, the things you are looking for- well you and others have left them there unless you dig in all metal.
"I could put the nail in front of the nickle and it would still read the coin at disc set below iron on the C and V, and on the Bandido, the disc was at ZERO!!! Even with the disc set at just below nickle on both the C and V, they still got the coin each time."
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if the disc was set below iron, wouldn't the machine sound off on the nail, as well as the nickel?
Did you try the nail by itself at that setting to see if it would sound off?
With the disc at zero on the Bandido, did you try the nail by itself to see if it would sound off?
When you had the disc set just below nickel on the C and V, did you try the nail at that setting?
I think the answers to those questions would be good information. Thanks for taking the time to test this.
OldeTymer
TheTreasureLeague.com
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if the disc was set below iron, wouldn't the machine sound off on the nail, as well as the nickel?
Did you try the nail by itself at that setting to see if it would sound off?
With the disc at zero on the Bandido, did you try the nail by itself to see if it would sound off?
When you had the disc set just below nickel on the C and V, did you try the nail at that setting?
I think the answers to those questions would be good information. Thanks for taking the time to test this.
OldeTymer
TheTreasureLeague.com
Doug[Manila]
New member
Quote: "...at disc set below iron on the C and V..."
Not Christian but I think he meant "...at disc set ABOVE iron on the C and V..."
Not Christian but I think he meant "...at disc set ABOVE iron on the C and V..."
Mike Livingston
New member
Hmh. my whites 6000 pro xl, MXT, and Phantom have no trouble with an iron nail in front of the nickle. Try a dime and see what happens. I have the Tejon and think highly of it. Every time I take it out the depth amazes me, but you do have to keep it ground balanced right on the money, well not really on money, rather on metal free ground LOL, or you can get false signals.
christian_99
New member
"I could put the nail in front of the nickle and it would still read the coin at disc set below iron on the C and V, and on the Bandido, the disc was at ZERO!!! Even with the disc set at just below nickle on both the C and V, they still got the coin each time."
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if the disc was set below iron, wouldn't the machine sound off on the nail, as well as the nickel? ***No...the machine with either the ED 180 for the C and V gave a clipped sound- "discriminated sound" and the coin sounded great.
Did you try the nail by itself at that setting to see if it would sound off? ***The nail by itelf gave a clipped sound at just below iron on the C and V and with the Bandido with discrimination at zero further gave a clipped sound.
With the disc at zero on the Bandido, did you try the nail by itself to see if it would sound off? ****Yes...it wouldn't sound off, it only gave a clipped signal. However with the nickle it sounded off until the disc was set to nickle and it too was clipped out. I was actually kicking myself in the foot for not using the machine more often than what I had in the past. You think technology improves and it does, but sometimes that one machine which could do wonders is forgotten in all the hype of a brand new machine that can do this or that over other machines....
When you had the disc set just below nickel on the C and V, did you try the nail at that setting? ***Yes...it was a clipped signal. Occasionally a good signal depending upon the position of the nail. However, if I were going slow like I normally do, I wouldn't have dug it.
I think the answers to those questions would be good information. Thanks for taking the time to test this.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if the disc was set below iron, wouldn't the machine sound off on the nail, as well as the nickel? ***No...the machine with either the ED 180 for the C and V gave a clipped sound- "discriminated sound" and the coin sounded great.
Did you try the nail by itself at that setting to see if it would sound off? ***The nail by itelf gave a clipped sound at just below iron on the C and V and with the Bandido with discrimination at zero further gave a clipped sound.
With the disc at zero on the Bandido, did you try the nail by itself to see if it would sound off? ****Yes...it wouldn't sound off, it only gave a clipped signal. However with the nickle it sounded off until the disc was set to nickle and it too was clipped out. I was actually kicking myself in the foot for not using the machine more often than what I had in the past. You think technology improves and it does, but sometimes that one machine which could do wonders is forgotten in all the hype of a brand new machine that can do this or that over other machines....
When you had the disc set just below nickel on the C and V, did you try the nail at that setting? ***Yes...it was a clipped signal. Occasionally a good signal depending upon the position of the nail. However, if I were going slow like I normally do, I wouldn't have dug it.
I think the answers to those questions would be good information. Thanks for taking the time to test this.