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Tejon/ Vaquero
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The folks at Tesoro say the Tejon is the deepest machine they sell, but what is an inch or so among cousins (Tejon verses Vaquero)
I've owned both and can say you can't go wrong with either. Since I've never found any super deep coins in my area I can't say by experience only what I've been told.
I've owned both and can say you can't go wrong with either. Since I've never found any super deep coins in my area I can't say by experience only what I've been told.
discrimination hurts depth with all detectors. the deepest mode of any brand is the all metal mode. but then again heres this depth discussion. i find when i'm coin hunting most coins fall in the 4 to 6 inch range unless the soil is really unstable then they can be deeper. most discrimination is only accurate to about 6 inches. unless your relic hunting depth really isnt that important. the more important thing to me anyway, is fast recovery, light detector, lower exceptance on the discrimination for iron. and the ability to balance my own detector. how many coils are available, and this one is really important to me ease of use. i like to spend more time hunting then adjusting. i have both those detectors the vaquero is super lite and has the has great depth and tejon has the same, i like the tejon better, not for depth but for the dual discrimination, and the lower exceptance. monte has a demostration that proves this very nice. but that all said the vaquero has it areas it is better than the tejon. the vaquero can be tuned down allot more than the tejon. the tejon is a super hot detector which may make it too sensitive for certain types of hunting. that all said it really depends on what type of hunting you plan on doing and pick a detector designed for that. many times it will take several detectors to truely do what you want.
I have had the Vaquero for about two months and am increasingly impressed with it. Keep in mind that I also have a DFX and a SE. Most times the Vaquero is the one I grab to check out a new area. I have compared them all and once the Vaquero beat the SE on depth in moist black dirt. The only thing I miss is the depth indication the other two have. But I am slooooowly getting better at estimating depth w/the Vaq. Its a fun machine.
You got to remember that lots of thoes deep targets are masked also. Them $2500 Mindlabs been all around here.
I got a way to go after thoes 20% that they left to me at a shallower depths. I'm going for the gold in the trash.
"There's a gold lining in every cloud of trash"
QUOTED BY TABDOG
I got a way to go after thoes 20% that they left to me at a shallower depths. I'm going for the gold in the trash.
"There's a gold lining in every cloud of trash"
QUOTED BY TABDOG
I don't have a problem if it is 1/4 of a can or more, but those crumpled up pieces are a problem.
I spent weeks trying to clean a tot lot that had aluminum of all kinds chewed up with the wood chips. Now I can hunt it but I had to remove several thounds of aluminum bits first.
It's just down the street from me and I couldn't stand not being able to hunt it.
Now, it still has some aluminum in it but I can hunt it in a short day now.
About 5 hours.
HH,
I spent weeks trying to clean a tot lot that had aluminum of all kinds chewed up with the wood chips. Now I can hunt it but I had to remove several thounds of aluminum bits first.
It's just down the street from me and I couldn't stand not being able to hunt it.
Now, it still has some aluminum in it but I can hunt it in a short day now.
About 5 hours.HH,
"wondering if it is better (deeper) on coins than the Vaquero?"
I guess I see a different way meaning deeper doesn't always mean better.
Overall most of the coin in my area are typically 6 inches or less. Yes I have dug some deeper .
As far as coin hunting, using a Vaquero, I would think that I would not be much if any, at a disadvantage compared to the Tejon. I have the Tejon and other Tesoro machines, but I do not have the Vaquero.
I guess what I'm trying to say is if (and I have) I use the Tejon for coin hunting, it's not typical for me to find coins at the Tejon's maximum fringe of depth, where if I was using another machine with less depth, I would be missing too many coins.
I mainly got the Tejon for relic and have used it for coin with good results. If I hunt an area where the coins are really deep, then yes I might use the Tejon, but it's not typically for me to find coins at it's maximum depth of detection.
My first Tesoro is the Cibola and I didn't normally find situations where I had to run it in Super-Tune to get a little extra depth because the coins were normally out of reach if it wasn't in Super-Tune configuration.
I currently have the Tejon, Cortes, Cibola, Silver uMax, and have recently added the Compadre. I normally don't grab the Tejon for coin hunting in my area, although the times I do, it's because I was in the mood for using the Tejon. If I hit a situation where I'm hitting targets deep, then the Tejon to me might be the choice for the day.
Like I say - I don't have the Vaquero, but I also don't normally hear and read from others that the Vaquero lacks depth for typical coin hunting.
Maybe I missed some, but I normally don't hear many complaints at all about the Vaquero, but I also don't read every posts on it either.
I think I would do fine using either the Tejon or Vaquero and would be happy with just one, happier with both -
Tabdog, would you clear out a few areas for me in Spring? It would certainly save me a lot of work. All kidding aside, I do have to do some "removal" work at a couple of sites. Not really looking forward to it but there is always a chance of a "surprise" waiting among the trash.
(for anyone) I have a question for you. Would you rather spend hours trying to find an old coin at great depths or simply work through the trash for whatever comes to light? I'm not grading on this question so you can be honest.
(for anyone) I have a question for you. Would you rather spend hours trying to find an old coin at great depths or simply work through the trash for whatever comes to light? I'm not grading on this question so you can be honest.
I have a Tejon and Vaquero. Both are good detectors. The vaquero is a little better in trash but I also like the features and power of the Tejon. I have 3 detectors and the type of areas I'm hunting determines which one I pick up. I feel that each one has a advantage in certain situations and I'm still learning new things about all 3. I agree most coins are 6 inches or less and lately I've been taking a hard look at the compadre. I think it's a good detector with price close to what most coils cost.
Hi Pap,
I would rather work the trash.
I only recently have became that way. Six months ago, when I had two non-Tesoro metal detectors, I was intimidated by trash. I avoided what I thought were "bad areas ".
The Cibola started building confidence in my self.
The Silver Sabre Umax showed me there's more than one way to skin a cat.
The Euro and Eldorado showed me that I can deal with ground conditions and see what has been intimidating me.
The Compadre showed me that I have better than average under ground eye site under trashy conditions.
I believe, now, that the majority of good targets are in a trashy mess, and not that deep.
If I'm dealing in that trashy mess, depth will only be a fleeting opportunity that 90+ % of the time is not a good target any way. Trying for depth under such circumstances is a waste of time as compared to finding a tantalizing hidden target in the depth that most goodies are to be found.
I like relic/artifact hunting also. I have other machines for that, that do get better depth. I also have one for park hunting where it's not trashy.
Most of my deep hunting is slowed down because of the wet nasty winter conditions. I don't like being cold wet and muddy.
So now I'm out there looking for the trashiest place I can find to challenge my little Compadre.
HH,
I would rather work the trash.
I only recently have became that way. Six months ago, when I had two non-Tesoro metal detectors, I was intimidated by trash. I avoided what I thought were "bad areas ".
The Cibola started building confidence in my self.
The Silver Sabre Umax showed me there's more than one way to skin a cat.
The Euro and Eldorado showed me that I can deal with ground conditions and see what has been intimidating me.
The Compadre showed me that I have better than average under ground eye site under trashy conditions.
I believe, now, that the majority of good targets are in a trashy mess, and not that deep.
If I'm dealing in that trashy mess, depth will only be a fleeting opportunity that 90+ % of the time is not a good target any way. Trying for depth under such circumstances is a waste of time as compared to finding a tantalizing hidden target in the depth that most goodies are to be found.
I like relic/artifact hunting also. I have other machines for that, that do get better depth. I also have one for park hunting where it's not trashy.
Most of my deep hunting is slowed down because of the wet nasty winter conditions. I don't like being cold wet and muddy.
So now I'm out there looking for the trashiest place I can find to challenge my little Compadre.
HH,
I think that would be an "A": but as mentioned I'm not grading. We both must be going thru the same metamorphosis right now. Like you I have deeper units but I just don't find them to be all that much fun any longer. I don't know if I would buy the Compadre, I suppose I'm concerned about the ground balance thing in my area but it certainly looks like fun. I had considered a Cibola but I have the same concern with that. I just may have to get in touch with the multi-line dealer that I used in the past and try and borrow one or the other. Whatever, I think my "fun factor" is more important to me now then anything.
Thanks for the "A". This isn't a test for me though. This is what I do for fun and enlightenment when I'm not metal detecting.
I personally don't know about how well the Compadre handles bad ground conditions. But I sure got the impression from Monte that the Compadre is one of the Tesoros that can do just that.
Here are two examples. They are quotes by Monte.
[Quote by Monte]
You see, when I come upon a site that has a lot of scatter rocks from a fallen-down chimney or wall, I prefer to not have to move them all out of my way. Instead, I like to search in an all metal accept motion Disc. mode and then move ONLY those rocks that have a metal target under them. Once I move the rock I can re-sweep the spot and get a more accurate target response and, if I have TID, a 'proper' or close to correct TID read-out.
So, I keep my 'Homestead Rock' with me so I can use it in quick evaluations of different detectors. I can lay a zinc cent on the ground, directly under this rock, and if I sweep over it with a model that really offers true full target acceptance in the Disc. mode (true ED-180), it will ignore the 'ground signal' (of the rock) and pass along the target response. The Lobo SuperTRAQ, Tej
I personally don't know about how well the Compadre handles bad ground conditions. But I sure got the impression from Monte that the Compadre is one of the Tesoros that can do just that.
Here are two examples. They are quotes by Monte.
[Quote by Monte]
You see, when I come upon a site that has a lot of scatter rocks from a fallen-down chimney or wall, I prefer to not have to move them all out of my way. Instead, I like to search in an all metal accept motion Disc. mode and then move ONLY those rocks that have a metal target under them. Once I move the rock I can re-sweep the spot and get a more accurate target response and, if I have TID, a 'proper' or close to correct TID read-out.
So, I keep my 'Homestead Rock' with me so I can use it in quick evaluations of different detectors. I can lay a zinc cent on the ground, directly under this rock, and if I sweep over it with a model that really offers true full target acceptance in the Disc. mode (true ED-180), it will ignore the 'ground signal' (of the rock) and pass along the target response. The Lobo SuperTRAQ, Tej
[quote Pap]I think that would be an "A": but as mentioned I'm not grading. We both must be going thru the same metamorphosis right now. Like you I have deeper units but I just don't find them to be all that much fun any longer. I don't know if I would buy the Compadre, I suppose I'm concerned about the ground balance thing in my area but it certainly looks like fun. I had considered a Cibola but I have the same concern with that. I just may have to get in touch with the multi-line dealer that I used in the past and try and borrow one or the other. Whatever, I think my "fun factor" is more important to me now then anything.[/quote]
Thats a big right on Pap! thats how i go about this hobby, to much is made of depth. thats ok if your into relic hunting, I'm not i like coins and jewelry, and starting to beach hunt allot more. i like simple and fun to use. if i was relic hunting i probably would have a ground hawk or a nautilus for the same reason mentioned above. keep it fun and good luck in your hunts.
Thats a big right on Pap! thats how i go about this hobby, to much is made of depth. thats ok if your into relic hunting, I'm not i like coins and jewelry, and starting to beach hunt allot more. i like simple and fun to use. if i was relic hunting i probably would have a ground hawk or a nautilus for the same reason mentioned above. keep it fun and good luck in your hunts.
This year I became A trash hunter. Let me explain I had always done real well finding coins but never really had much success finding rings or jewelry unless I guess it was by accident. But after reading in many forums that you have to dig junk to find the good stuff I started to do just that I use a DeLeon and like many I suppose I would start out digging everything then get bored and turn up the discrimination and pick and choose what to dig. I have a park around here that never fails to give up a deep silver dime or a few wheat pennies if I want to dig deep holes and so I would know I could always fall back on this park for a good find. Near the end of the summer I worked a few parks and soccer fields and told myself no matter how much junk I dug I would keep digging it. And it paid off pretty well I found four gold rings and one gold charm I also found seven silver rings three earrings and four silver pendants. I have read many success stories on this site and want to thank all for the great posts. I am hoping 08 will be even better than last year I already have plans to hunt many different sites. I may go back and visit the hot spot at my favorite park once in while but not to make a good day out of a poor one. As most who have read my posts I really like the performance of my DeLeon and have gotten to know it pretty well and plan on using it for a very long time.
Your post is exactly right. If I don't dig any junk, for sure I don't find any rings.
Thanks for reminding me.
[quote phinbolt]This year I became A trash hunter. Let me explain I had always done real well finding coins but never really had much success finding rings or jewelry unless I guess it was by accident. But after reading in many forums that you have to dig junk to find the good stuff I started to do just that I use a DeLeon and like many I suppose I would start out digging everything then get bored and turn up the discrimination and pick and choose what to dig. I have a park around here that never fails to give up a deep silver dime or a few wheat pennies if I want to dig deep holes and so I would know I could always fall back on this park for a good find. Near the end of the summer I worked a few parks and soccer fields and told myself no matter how much junk I dug I would keep digging it. And it paid off pretty well I found four gold rings and one gold charm I also found seven silver rings three earrings and four silver pendants. I have read many success stories on this site and want to thank all for the great posts. I am hoping 08 will be even better than last year I already have plans to hunt many different sites. I may go back and visit the hot spot at my favorite park once in while but not to make a good day out of a poor one. As most who have read my posts I really like the performance of my DeLeon and have gotten to know it pretty well and plan on using it for a very long time.[/quote]
Thanks for reminding me.
[quote phinbolt]This year I became A trash hunter. Let me explain I had always done real well finding coins but never really had much success finding rings or jewelry unless I guess it was by accident. But after reading in many forums that you have to dig junk to find the good stuff I started to do just that I use a DeLeon and like many I suppose I would start out digging everything then get bored and turn up the discrimination and pick and choose what to dig. I have a park around here that never fails to give up a deep silver dime or a few wheat pennies if I want to dig deep holes and so I would know I could always fall back on this park for a good find. Near the end of the summer I worked a few parks and soccer fields and told myself no matter how much junk I dug I would keep digging it. And it paid off pretty well I found four gold rings and one gold charm I also found seven silver rings three earrings and four silver pendants. I have read many success stories on this site and want to thank all for the great posts. I am hoping 08 will be even better than last year I already have plans to hunt many different sites. I may go back and visit the hot spot at my favorite park once in while but not to make a good day out of a poor one. As most who have read my posts I really like the performance of my DeLeon and have gotten to know it pretty well and plan on using it for a very long time.[/quote]