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anybody used the Tejon at the beach? if so, any success? Feedback? Thanks
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I have asked the same question but you don't get no response.Maybe on the beach forum.
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Yes, you will be able to detect but only by dropping your sens. and maybe having to raise the disc. a bit too. Most single freq. detectors can detect on the wet sand but the question is how limited its performance becomes. From what I have read the Tejon is a fine detector and will keep up to most on land but I would be willing to bet the multi freq. big boy would see targets twice as deep at the beach.
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<STRONG>"anybody used the Tejon at the beach?"</STRONG>... Yes. Freshwater as well as Saltwater and Intense Saltwater.
<STRONG>"if so, any success?"</STRONG>.... Somewhat typical results for the beaches I hunt, and somewhat typical for the detector design.
<STRONG>"Feedback?"</STRONG>.... I hunted with three different Tej
<STRONG>"if so, any success?"</STRONG>.... Somewhat typical results for the beaches I hunt, and somewhat typical for the detector design.
<STRONG>"Feedback?"</STRONG>.... I hunted with three different Tej
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I would like to throw in a few comments.
<STRONG>"Yes, you will be able to detect but only by dropping your sens. and maybe having to raise the disc. a bit too."</STRONG>.... I have usually been able to operate with a very high sensitivity setting on both highly mineralized as well as very salty & wet beaches. That is, both nasty bad-ground freshwater sites and challenging salty conditions with many models. This includes the Tej
<STRONG>"Yes, you will be able to detect but only by dropping your sens. and maybe having to raise the disc. a bit too."</STRONG>.... I have usually been able to operate with a very high sensitivity setting on both highly mineralized as well as very salty & wet beaches. That is, both nasty bad-ground freshwater sites and challenging salty conditions with many models. This includes the Tej
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Good Post Monte as always, enjoy reading them.
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"Still, in side-by-side comparisons, a properly tuned Tej
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but I have found the single freq detectors dont come close to the depth of the minelab sov or explorer on salt water beaches(in the wet sand), here in NJ.
Ive used the Tiger Shark(which did balance out well but did lack in depth considerably), the Eldorado which I never could get to balance out well and was always falsing, and last summer spent alot of time with an X5, which will balance out well but again, looses depth and sensitivity to smaller gold on wet sand. The Sov and Explorer will get smaller gold because you DONT have to adjust their disc to tune out the salt mineralization.
I think most are using them at the ocean beaches because they do get deeper targets plus you can go from wet to dry sand without any adjustments at all.
I have never used the Tejon so I cant comment on that. There may be alot of hype associated with multi freq but these machines live up to the hype on salt water wet sand beaches, at least here in NJ.
The only other units Ive used that get great depth on wet salt sand are the PI units, and Ive only used one of the those which was the HH PI.
The minelabs dont just operate smoother on wet salt sand, they consitently find much deeper items.
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Ive used the Tiger Shark(which did balance out well but did lack in depth considerably), the Eldorado which I never could get to balance out well and was always falsing, and last summer spent alot of time with an X5, which will balance out well but again, looses depth and sensitivity to smaller gold on wet sand. The Sov and Explorer will get smaller gold because you DONT have to adjust their disc to tune out the salt mineralization.
I think most are using them at the ocean beaches because they do get deeper targets plus you can go from wet to dry sand without any adjustments at all.
I have never used the Tejon so I cant comment on that. There may be alot of hype associated with multi freq but these machines live up to the hype on salt water wet sand beaches, at least here in NJ.
The only other units Ive used that get great depth on wet salt sand are the PI units, and Ive only used one of the those which was the HH PI.
The minelabs dont just operate smoother on wet salt sand, they consitently find much deeper items.
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the units are easy to get into action on beaches, requiring less in the way on manual adjustments, and because (for various reasons) many people who take on one of these Minelab's does so with a certain amount of confidence.
Too often we see that operator control, or lack thereof, is the main reason people have 'problems' getting good performance in <EM>any</EM> hunting environment, not just beaches.
As I mentioned, so many people at some of these resport sites I tested at favor the Sovereign models over other brands or even the Explorer's. In talking to Minelab <EM>users</EM> as well as Minelab <EM>dealers</EM> who are also active detectorists, they prefer the Sovereigns over the Explorers for a few reasons. One is that they are 'comfortable' with their Sovereigns because the know them, and another is that they find the Explorers to be a bit too intimidating in the way of adjustments.
I hunt with a number of Minelab users in several western states. I attend some monthly get-toghters with a 'Minelab Detecting Group' because a couple of us are avid detectorists, but don't use Minelabs. It is a small group of people who are into some serious detecting. Researching and traveling to sites in several states on detecting jaunts we take frequently during the year. Sometimes it is a group of 3 or perhaps a group of 7 or 8 of us. Most use the Explorer's, some use the Sovereign's, and then there are two of us who use mainly White's or Tesoro.
Needless to say, this frequently brings calls of <STRONG><EM>"Hey, come check this signal out!" </EM></STRONG>and the comparison, once again, helps to spark some discussion.
Well, naturally there are times when an Explorer user, for example, might be able to give a better or more accurate Target ID 'guess' based upon the TID performance in the way of accuracy and accuracy on deeper targets. Targets that many, using other metered brands and especially in 'bad ground', do not recover because they didn't get a decent 'lock-on.' Because of this, it would <EM>appear</EM> to many that the Explorer is the better detector and finds more good stuff. Well, that's not so. It is simply a matter of the Explorer identifying targets better at the depth they achieve.
It might also lead to some thinking that the Explorer detects deeper, which is also untrue. What we see is simply an Explorer ID's well, deeper.
Hit a McDonald's drive thru and grab some lunch and talk about comparing performance on the way to some site with a knowledgeable, skilled user of another quality model. When you get to the site you want to do some comparisons, use the sack your take-out lunch was in to cover your displays. Use the detectors w/o Target ID. Just set them up and go for the better audio responses you can get and make some educated 'guesses' what type of targets you find. My money would be bet on the detectorist using something like a White's XL Pro or modified Classic III or Tesoro Tej
Too often we see that operator control, or lack thereof, is the main reason people have 'problems' getting good performance in <EM>any</EM> hunting environment, not just beaches.
As I mentioned, so many people at some of these resport sites I tested at favor the Sovereign models over other brands or even the Explorer's. In talking to Minelab <EM>users</EM> as well as Minelab <EM>dealers</EM> who are also active detectorists, they prefer the Sovereigns over the Explorers for a few reasons. One is that they are 'comfortable' with their Sovereigns because the know them, and another is that they find the Explorers to be a bit too intimidating in the way of adjustments.
I hunt with a number of Minelab users in several western states. I attend some monthly get-toghters with a 'Minelab Detecting Group' because a couple of us are avid detectorists, but don't use Minelabs. It is a small group of people who are into some serious detecting. Researching and traveling to sites in several states on detecting jaunts we take frequently during the year. Sometimes it is a group of 3 or perhaps a group of 7 or 8 of us. Most use the Explorer's, some use the Sovereign's, and then there are two of us who use mainly White's or Tesoro.
Needless to say, this frequently brings calls of <STRONG><EM>"Hey, come check this signal out!" </EM></STRONG>and the comparison, once again, helps to spark some discussion.
Well, naturally there are times when an Explorer user, for example, might be able to give a better or more accurate Target ID 'guess' based upon the TID performance in the way of accuracy and accuracy on deeper targets. Targets that many, using other metered brands and especially in 'bad ground', do not recover because they didn't get a decent 'lock-on.' Because of this, it would <EM>appear</EM> to many that the Explorer is the better detector and finds more good stuff. Well, that's not so. It is simply a matter of the Explorer identifying targets better at the depth they achieve.
It might also lead to some thinking that the Explorer detects deeper, which is also untrue. What we see is simply an Explorer ID's well, deeper.
Hit a McDonald's drive thru and grab some lunch and talk about comparing performance on the way to some site with a knowledgeable, skilled user of another quality model. When you get to the site you want to do some comparisons, use the sack your take-out lunch was in to cover your displays. Use the detectors w/o Target ID. Just set them up and go for the better audio responses you can get and make some educated 'guesses' what type of targets you find. My money would be bet on the detectorist using something like a White's XL Pro or modified Classic III or Tesoro Tej
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Circumstances? The fact that we were in that area for some detecting. The reports I had heard and great finds I had seen made from local hobbyists.
Test depths? Easy! Whatever was lost there, for the most part. On three occasions we did bury a lead bullet of about .357 calibre, a round lead ball of about .32 caliber, and a zinc cent. Other than those 'planted' tests, all others were done in a side-by-side comparison over detected targets.
Test depths? Easy! Whatever was lost there, for the most part. On three occasions we did bury a lead bullet of about .357 calibre, a round lead ball of about .32 caliber, and a zinc cent. Other than those 'planted' tests, all others were done in a side-by-side comparison over detected targets.
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Very well presented Monte. As you know you and I don
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My above post was just referencing salt water beach hunting, as I do here in NJ. I have other detectors as you know for different applications but have tried them all at the ocean in the wet salt sand and they just dont cut it.
I love the older Tesoros in trashy areas, I think they can pick up good stuff next to disced out stuff better than any Ive ever used. If I could get my Bandido II to get the depth I need at the ocean beach, I surely wouldnt have any use for my Sov.
I have no electronics education at all so I couldnt say from that perspective why my multi freq Sov works better or gets deeper. I just know from my experience that it does.
I did forget to mention there are two single freq machines that work well on wet salt sand. Those would be the Fisher 1280 and the Headhunter series.
The HH Wader I have is a real low freq, I forget right now what it is, but it gets real deep also, not the range of my Sov, but still pretty deep. The disadvantage to it is it doesnt have the DD coil so down deep it is only seeing a small area. Its as light as a Tesoro to use since your only swinging a coil and shaft.
Always great reading your posts Monte.
Take care,
Neil
I love the older Tesoros in trashy areas, I think they can pick up good stuff next to disced out stuff better than any Ive ever used. If I could get my Bandido II to get the depth I need at the ocean beach, I surely wouldnt have any use for my Sov.
I have no electronics education at all so I couldnt say from that perspective why my multi freq Sov works better or gets deeper. I just know from my experience that it does.
I did forget to mention there are two single freq machines that work well on wet salt sand. Those would be the Fisher 1280 and the Headhunter series.
The HH Wader I have is a real low freq, I forget right now what it is, but it gets real deep also, not the range of my Sov, but still pretty deep. The disadvantage to it is it doesnt have the DD coil so down deep it is only seeing a small area. Its as light as a Tesoro to use since your only swinging a coil and shaft.
Always great reading your posts Monte.
Take care,
Neil