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Tejon and Deleon

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HI, without getting to involved in ground differences, etc. I am wondering what the depth difference would be on say.. a silver dime. Between a Deleon and a Tejon.
Also, what advantage does the three way mode switch on the Tejon give? Can you hunt in a true all metal mode without holding the switch back/forward?
I've a Bandido 2mmax now that I've been real happy with. How would the Deleon compare in depth to it? Also, the Tejon?
Thinking of ugrading and was considering a sovereign but Tesoro has been very good to me so I don't want to ignore their machines in my consideration either.
 
Yes, the Tejon can hunt in true all metal, without using the switch. The three way allows you to set upper and lower discrimination levels and by pulling the switch back you go to all metal also.
I can't tell you from personal experience about the depth comparisions but the Tejon is suppose to be the deepest of the tesoro line. I have found a 1/4" long piece of small copper wire at 8".
All in all I like my machine and love the way the company backs its product. Hope that helps.
 
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I'm one of the people who really LOVES this feature.
I'm primarily a coin shooter and think that the three-way toggle and dual discrimination are the heart and soul of the Tejon for coinshooting. If you are mainly a relic or beach hunter then I can see where the toggle would be of less value.
The three-way toggle and dual discrimination allow very rapid coin checking; no longer do you need to thumb the discrim control to get information regarding a target. Also, the flexibility of the two discrim circuits permit you to really zero in on a target's composition. For example, you can set up the Tejon to cherry pick nickels, dig only the good coins between zincs and screwcaps, or set it up to just hit on any one tight range of targets you want.
Also, the three-way toggle allows you to quickly check any pinpoint differences between discrim and all-metal modes; this gives trash likelihood info which is important in coinshooting.
As far as depth goes, I've only had experience with two Tesoros: an original Bandito and the Tejon. The Tejon is significantly deeper than the Bandito (although I really liked the Bandito too). For example, the deepest quarter I ever dug with my Bandito in my very low mineralization soil was 8"; just two days ago, I dug a quarter at a MEASURED 13" with the Tejon...believe it or don't. In air tests, the Tejon always hit targets at least three inches deeper than my old Bandito.
The flexibility, operator convenience and depth of the Tejon has me re-evaluating my relegation of it as the back-up to my CZ; it is quickly becoming my detector of choice for coinshooting, especially in trashy areas.
Just my opinions and personal experiences...
HH...Thomas
 
I've never tried a DeLeon so I can't make specific comparisons to the Tejon, but I have, for the past year and a half, used a Fisher CZ and have a couple of thoughts regarding the Tejon vs. TID detectors in general.
I think that it boils down to how deep you need to go and how much pre-digging analysis you want to do. I originally chose a CZ because of its reputation for depth; it has its warts, I knew, but in my unstable soil depth is crucial.
I'm mostly a coinshooter and mostly detect newer sites such school yards, ball fields, parks, etc. These areas are generally pretty trash laden and even though the CZ has notch discrimination I still find myself digging a lot of trash due to mis-IDs. Predominant among the ID errors are pull-tabs that ID as nickels, and screw caps and iron that ID as "high coin." This is even true at shallower depths (i.e., <8") and only gets worse the deeper the target. Enter the Tejon...
About nine months ago, I bought a Tejon and it has served as my back up to the CZ until recently. During the nine months of ownership, I would periodically dig out the Tejon and use it, slowly learning its optimal settings and something about its acoustical language. Just recently, I had to send in my CZ for a tune-up and for the past six weeks have used my Tejon exclusively. And during this intense usage period, I have come to more fully learn the Tejon's language and to truly appreciate its capabilities.
I have found that although the CZ is an inch or two deeper in the all-metal mode compared to the Tejon, I am now more able to accurately ID a target and at a greater depth than I can with the CZ. This has resulted from careful field testing and thoughtful analysis of the auditory signals from the Tejon. Whereas it would be too lengthy to go into extreme detail, I can say that the Tejon, as is the case with Tesoros in general, has an exceedingly rich language. The most crucial aspects of its language are contained in the "b" and "p" of the "beep" that it produces. By careful analysis of these on/off transients (equivalent to the consonants in human speech), I can with greater confidence and accuracy ID targets than I can with my TID detector, especially those at the greater depths where errors begin increasing with most TID detectors.
Another huge advantage in my case is that screwcaps, the bane of coin shooters in this area because they tend to get lumped with high coins with many detectors, can be easily discrim'd out with the Tejon and still permit the clad, silver, and copper coins to come through...this is huge around here; I don't know if screwcaps signal "95" on the DeLeon or not but if they do, it's something to consider if your sites are newly trashy. Similarly, it is possible with the Tejon to set discrimination to sound different on nickels compared to pull-tabs; with my CZ confusion between the two is very common.
This post is getting long so I'll cut it here by saying that, in my case, if I'm a little on the mentally lazy side or am in a low-trash area, I generally grab the CZ because it's as deep as the Tejon and I don't really have to think much or dig much trash. On the other hand, if I'm mentally refreshed and hitting my usual fairly trashy sites, I'll now grab the Tejon and let my ears and brain do the "TID"...I dig far, far fewer holes and tend to come home with more good stuff.
One more thing to consider...if you do any beach hunting, the Tejon is "da bomb" on small gold in the dry sand, easily outperforming my CZ (which outperforms the Tejon in the wet sand).
Just my experiences, yours may differ...
HH...Thomas
 
Great info there, I appreciate your help. As I say, I really like my old Bandido 2 mm so I'm in no rush here to decide. Same old problem, too many machines tempting me and not enough money..
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THERE'S NOT A NICER OR MORE KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON AROUND.
HE WRITES THE "TECH TALK" COLUMN IN "WESTERN & EASTERN TREASURES" ,HAS A TEST GARDEN & WILL ANSWER YOUR QUERIES. THE FACT THAT HE'S A DEALER IS NICE TOO, BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO PUSH SOMETHING ON YOU.
HE CAN DEFINITELY TELL YOU THE WAYS DIFFERENT DETECTORS STACK UP AGAINST ONE ANOTHER IN YOU HUNTING SITUATION.
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I couldn't agree more. I have used the DeLeon and prefer the "non meter" Tesoro's or the Cortes for target ID. That being said; it is common for many beginners to intermediate Detectorists to get "married to the meter" as I like to call it. As you mentioned, learning the sound of a detector is very important if you want to dig less and find more. I rely on sound for 90% of my digging decisions, and most of the time do not use target ID detectors. Tesoro's have always provided us with a good language to interpret signals. It just takes practice and paying attention to what your hearing to master sound. I give the Tejon a big thumbs up. Very good post Tom, I enjoyed reading it. Good hunting, David @ Dixie
 
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