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Tejon and 2 disc?
- Thread starter WV62
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I've used it set to where it will allow a nickle. When I trigger to second disc, tabs fade out or crackle while nickles are clear. I'll normally dig anyway; but if the area is badly tab infested, I can choose to leave what are most likely tabs. The key here is that the tabs fade. Swing the coil over the target as you trigger the second disc. If it goes away right away, it is probably not a tab, it is foil or some other low conductive target that may be desirable. If it fades and then goes away or still crackles as the discriminator is just starting to eliminate it, target is at conductivity of many of the tabs.
Occasionally, at the end of the day when it is getting dark on a school ground, I'll set it as high as it goes and when I get a target, I'll trigger to second disc and if target is still there I dig what is very often a quarter. That can fairly quickly ring up a dollar or two at the end of a day on many school yards. I don't normally just go for large clad, but have done so every now and then at the end of the day at the right location.
Occasionally, at the end of the day when it is getting dark on a school ground, I'll set it as high as it goes and when I get a target, I'll trigger to second disc and if target is still there I dig what is very often a quarter. That can fairly quickly ring up a dollar or two at the end of a day on many school yards. I don't normally just go for large clad, but have done so every now and then at the end of the day at the right location.
The Dual Disc. design of the Tejón was, and is, just about as useless as the concept that had been used with the Fisher 1260 thru 1266 models. Matter of fact, it was especially due to the 'promptings' of two loyal Fisher users who encouraged and field tested Jack Gifford's design. I like the Tejón's packaging with the AA battery power, the model's balance, and most of all I like the function of the variable Tone control. More makes and models should offer such a function.
But I have handled many models and talked with many owners, and also talked with avid metal detector dealers to get their opinions that might give a truly logical or practical explanation for the Dual Disc. design, ever since 1982 when the 1260 was introduced and a Fisher factory rep visited me and tried to promote their new model. He didn't have any practical answers for me, either.
I've heard all the thoughts of setting the Primary Disc. to accept the US 5¢ piece on up, then switching to the Alternate Disc. that is set just at the point you reject the 5¢ coin. All that does is indicate the located target has a conductivity level between the two Discriminate settings and many, many targets fall within that range. If they tell me that they then dig the target because it might be a Nickel, I ask why they wouldn't just recover it in the first place when it 'beeped?' If they try to make an example that it could be a Nickel but it could also be a Ring-Pull or rectangular Pry type Tab so they ignore the target, I ask why they couldn't just set their Primary Disc. to just barely reject those targets in the first place?
There are many other reasons, most kind of nutty when you think them through, that really show the Dual Disc. concept wasn't such a brilliant idea in the first place because there isn't much practicality in it. Tesoro continues to make that model, but who else felt it was such a smart idea that they ought to copy it? Fisher dumped the Dual Disc. 1260 series long ago. There are many newer manufacturers in this industry who have grown to be major detector makers but they haven't felt it was a trendy thing to do, either. I guess Tesoro could just discontinue the Tejón, but as much as I do have my favorite Tesoro models, the Tejón isn't one of them. Besides, Tesoro is so far behind in this industry that they can't drop a model as it takes them somewhere between a 'long-time' and 'forever' to bring out anything new .... or kind of new.
I'm sure some folks really like their Tejón and that's great. There are many makes and models out there that will please some of us and sour others, so if readers don't like my opinions, that's fine. But I have sixteen detectors hanging on my den wall or on the back seat of my vehicle that can fill any application I might come across ... and none are a Tejón nor would I care for one. My Vaquero has matched or bettered any Tejón I have compared it against.
So, what would I do if I had one given to me? Likely set it up just like I did the three Tejón's I had after they first came out. Turn the Primary Disc. control to click it into the All Metal mode, adjust the Threshold level and Ground Balance .... and leave it there. Then treat the Alternate Disc. as my Primary Disc. control and set it where I normally would. That is enough to just barely reject iron nails. Search in the Alt. Disc. mode with the trigger toggle clocked forward. If I want to analyze a target in the All Metal mode, or just search a particular area in All Metal mode, bring the toggle to the center position for the 'locked-in' Threshold-based All Metal mode.
Just my honest opinions.
Monte
But I have handled many models and talked with many owners, and also talked with avid metal detector dealers to get their opinions that might give a truly logical or practical explanation for the Dual Disc. design, ever since 1982 when the 1260 was introduced and a Fisher factory rep visited me and tried to promote their new model. He didn't have any practical answers for me, either.
I've heard all the thoughts of setting the Primary Disc. to accept the US 5¢ piece on up, then switching to the Alternate Disc. that is set just at the point you reject the 5¢ coin. All that does is indicate the located target has a conductivity level between the two Discriminate settings and many, many targets fall within that range. If they tell me that they then dig the target because it might be a Nickel, I ask why they wouldn't just recover it in the first place when it 'beeped?' If they try to make an example that it could be a Nickel but it could also be a Ring-Pull or rectangular Pry type Tab so they ignore the target, I ask why they couldn't just set their Primary Disc. to just barely reject those targets in the first place?
There are many other reasons, most kind of nutty when you think them through, that really show the Dual Disc. concept wasn't such a brilliant idea in the first place because there isn't much practicality in it. Tesoro continues to make that model, but who else felt it was such a smart idea that they ought to copy it? Fisher dumped the Dual Disc. 1260 series long ago. There are many newer manufacturers in this industry who have grown to be major detector makers but they haven't felt it was a trendy thing to do, either. I guess Tesoro could just discontinue the Tejón, but as much as I do have my favorite Tesoro models, the Tejón isn't one of them. Besides, Tesoro is so far behind in this industry that they can't drop a model as it takes them somewhere between a 'long-time' and 'forever' to bring out anything new .... or kind of new.
I'm sure some folks really like their Tejón and that's great. There are many makes and models out there that will please some of us and sour others, so if readers don't like my opinions, that's fine. But I have sixteen detectors hanging on my den wall or on the back seat of my vehicle that can fill any application I might come across ... and none are a Tejón nor would I care for one. My Vaquero has matched or bettered any Tejón I have compared it against.
So, what would I do if I had one given to me? Likely set it up just like I did the three Tejón's I had after they first came out. Turn the Primary Disc. control to click it into the All Metal mode, adjust the Threshold level and Ground Balance .... and leave it there. Then treat the Alternate Disc. as my Primary Disc. control and set it where I normally would. That is enough to just barely reject iron nails. Search in the Alt. Disc. mode with the trigger toggle clocked forward. If I want to analyze a target in the All Metal mode, or just search a particular area in All Metal mode, bring the toggle to the center position for the 'locked-in' Threshold-based All Metal mode.
Just my honest opinions.
Monte
kittlitz
Active member
The dual disc feature certainly isn't essential. You can do anything with a single discriminator that you can to with two. But... it's a non-essential feature I find myself using all the time, and that I miss having on my other Tesoros.
Mostly this is because it makes some things more convenient. For example, if you're searching an area with an abundance of a specific type of annoying trash, you can set the 2nd disc to where those items give a broken sound. You thus get more information about the target very quickly.
The other thing I often use it for is to get an idea of how far I have to thumb the primary disc. up before thumbing it down again to hear how the target comes in. If the target is gone when I switch to the 2nd disc., I know I don't have to thumb the primary up any higher than that.
And there's just something fun about switching to the 2nd disc and hearing the results, even if I'm planning on digging the target anyway. Kind of hard to explain, but I enjoy it
Of course, depending on your hunting style and what you're hunting for, the above might not matter much to you. Like a lot of detector features, the dual disc won't appeal to everyone or be useful in every situation.
-Ken
Mostly this is because it makes some things more convenient. For example, if you're searching an area with an abundance of a specific type of annoying trash, you can set the 2nd disc to where those items give a broken sound. You thus get more information about the target very quickly.
The other thing I often use it for is to get an idea of how far I have to thumb the primary disc. up before thumbing it down again to hear how the target comes in. If the target is gone when I switch to the 2nd disc., I know I don't have to thumb the primary up any higher than that.
And there's just something fun about switching to the 2nd disc and hearing the results, even if I'm planning on digging the target anyway. Kind of hard to explain, but I enjoy it
Of course, depending on your hunting style and what you're hunting for, the above might not matter much to you. Like a lot of detector features, the dual disc won't appeal to everyone or be useful in every situation.
-Ken
In low trash ground I set disc #1 in all metal, past the click, and disc #2 as low as it will go. When I hit a target I trigger forward to disc #2 to ID it. It will still hit on iron at this setting, but it will tell me it is iron. Adjust disc #2 up to ID the target. Often the hit on disc #2 is faint or absent and probably would have been missed if I hunted in disc mode. I have found many deep coins this way.
Hanoverdigging
Member
I don't use the secondary discrimination mutch as I hunt mainly colonial period homesites. Iron laden sites. I set the primary disc just above iron as to knock out the nails and dig everything that isn't iron. This machine runs at 17.5 k with a good recovery speed. Put me in an iron patch with the 5'75 concentric and I'll send you home with a bad attitude. I may not have 16 machines hanging on my wall but I carry 3 machines with me at all times and the Tejon is one of them.Wouldnt hurt my feelings at all if the second disc didn't exist. Decent recovery speed+17.5k+alot of power = a great machine. No bells and whistles just a simple "high tech" machine that gets it done. I have one hell of a relic collection that came from hunted out spots using this machine. I also own the latest bells and whistles machines for the record.
Gregorus Biloxicus
New member
My thoughts exactly on 2nd DISC. Why in the world would you isolate pulltabs if it would void out a 14k ring? This seems to be a wasted space in that box.