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target trace

jas415

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After almost 4 years of CTX diggin, yesterday I watched an initial target display and numbers of about 12 40-42. As I was trying to isolate it from a rust sound, sweeping back and forth in short 3 or 4 inch sweeps, I watched the fuzzy and weak initial target display move from the 40-42 range over to 45-45 and 'fill' in to a solid circle. At about 7 inches was a good condition 1929 SLQ. About 15 feet away, the identical thing happened. Great tone in 4 tone combined, weak fuzzy target displayed in the 39-40 area, numbers bounding a bit but mostly in the 40 range, then after several small back and forth sweeps it 'filled' in at 12-46. 54 Rosie. I seem to recall this happening a few time in the past but I just did not realize what an advantage it could be.

The dirt was hard packed black 'gumbo' clay and no rain for the past 3 weeks here in Houston. I was using the small coil and 4 tone combined.
 
Great Jas!
Target trace is an awesome feature that provides a great deal of information beyond the tone. Sube seems to be the master when it comes to interpreting Target Trace.
 
Great for you jas415 that's why I say you have to stay on target those 3 to 4 inch sweeps should be narrowed down to 1 to 2 inch sweeps the ideal is not to get the trace mixed with iron from adjacent targets .

Building targets in pinpoint with trace , will leave the truest target #s does not matter how big the blob is or trace on the screen just pick the center of the trace on the screen for a more accurate vid .

The better you stay on target the more accurate the vid #s that's why I say try to keep the sweeps at 1 to 2 inches . The farther you sweep side to side the bigger the trace that's left on the screen a smaller sweep will make a smaller blob which will be more accurate .

Also all weak target traces can be built by sweeping many times as compared to being in just target trace which updates after each pass .
Pinpoint trace leaves it for you to see which is a great feature .

4 years is a long time to realize the benefits of target trace glad you are mastering the ctx . sube
 
Target trace is still something I don't quite understand. I read and reread Andy's book and still don't seem to get a grasp on it as often as I try to figure it out. it would be a great feature once I understand it. Can it be explained in basic simple terms or maybe its just my mind can't comprehend it.
 
jas415,
That's as perfect an explanation/description of the advantages to target trace as I've heard....you've got it. :thumbup:
Really nice recovery on the SLQ...now go get some more deep ones. :)

I used the same technique last night to pull a nice 1886 IH penny from 8" in badly hunted/badly mineralized ground.
It was being 'mostly' masked by a nearby low conductor (-05) aluminum bead (probably bracelet bead), but I got the target trace to paint a 'relatively' steady/higher CO number when I slowly snuck up on it using the front of the coil.

Like sube says, you can open up the junky areas with really short 1-2" sweeps. Just concentrate on that really small area that's giving you the good hit...let it paint...and try not to lose it. ;)

hh,
mike
 
Target trace seems to be a great feature of this machine. I have only 1 hour on my CTX but
in that hour I had an eye opening experience. I have been all over my lawn with multiple detectors
and signals are few. I received a signal and was using target trace and saw all this smearing on
the screen with a circle around it so I zero'd in on the target and running an Explorer XS for 10 years
I know all about the MINELAB WIGGLE. As I narrowed the target I noticed the numbers were reading
copper coin but screen still had the smear. So I got my Deus and it rang good but VID's were averaged
but still had that coin sound. I dug her out and low and behold it was a 1940's wheatback penny with
a decent size nail laying right on it. This was eye opening for me with just 1 hour using the 3030.
I know I should be using this unit more but my Deus does fine and I can really GEL with her.
Not bashing the 3030 but I just took to the Deus but eventually will run the 3030 over my sites
that the mighty DEUS has been.... I believe what that guy sube says once you see the trace
you need to cut those sweeps shorter and shorter to investigate the numbers and try to build on it
by doing the MINELAB WIGGLE!!! Some of you guys have provided some great info. on this Forum
and is appreciated for when the time comes to gel with the 3030!
silverseeker 2
 
Good thread; I didn't realize others didnt realize the power of TT. It is by far my favorite feature of the CTX- all it takes is a hint of a high tone and then you wiggle that PP signal out of the ether with short movements of the coil. I've pulled many a deep dime out like that. (unfortunately, mostly clad dimes)
 
Here is a blog post I made on Minelab's Treasure Talk back in May of 2012, regarding the CTX 3030 Target Trace / Pinpoint Trace - Smartfind 2 - visually identifying multiple targets

http://www.minelab.com/usa/go-minelabbing/treasure-talk/ctx-3030-target-trace-pinpoint-trace-smartfind-2-visually-identifying-multiple-targets

If the pictures look familiar, it is because Andy used them in his book. :shrug: HH Randy
 
It was this original post of Randy's (Digger) on Treasure Talk that inspired me see just how far I could push the CTX Target Trace / Pinpoint Trace...

Thanks, Randy...:thumbup:

mike
 
Sube, I guess I wasnt that clear about what I was trying to say: the target display at first was in the 40-41 area but as I shrunk the sweep down the target filled an moved to the 44-45 area. I had never actually 'watched' it do that. I have used the trace modes since I got the detector in 2012 and after around 630 silver coins and about 26,000 coins total, this was the first time I actually watched it fill and move to a 45-46 area on the screen, and today it did the exact same thing on a '50 quarter at about 6".

I have, with great envy, read and reread your posts about your famous 'fairground'! I dont have any of those around here that are not covered in cement. I hunt almost exclusively in home demolitions or business demolitions. Our area has maybe 20-50 demo's each week and many are early 1900's homes so picking the good targets out of nails, and those darned octagonal copper roofing tacks is a chore.

Thanks again for all the great tips!
 
That's the advantage of using pinpoint trace with many passes that leave it on the screen as compared to just target trace with just one sample . I don't envy you with those copper tacks they sure are a pain . But it seems you have lot's of ground to check a plus for you . Your nails and iron are also a pain because of the dirt being moved around lot's of nails laying up and down instead of laying flat which makes them a pain to . I hope you read my post on iffy signals nails with coins and how important that depth gauge is makes it easier to dig or not .

As far as the fairgrounds you have to use all the tricks in the book to get coins there now I hit this for 4 years now the coins are still there but have to hunt the trashy spots now that's 20 to 30 hit's per sweep slow going but doable it is the true meaning of hunting . sube
 
The picture below illustrates where I'm at with target trace. I know it's a powerful tool, but i can't seem to prove that to myself. When I get something that looks like the screenshots on that Minelab article that was linked a few replies back, it almost always ends up just being garbage (mixed with other garbage). There's something I'm missing, and I know that...especially at depth (even in a test garden where I know there is something) a lot of times I can't even get a mark on my screen even though it gives me audio. Thoughts?
 
Odds are high all is ok with the machine but just needs a couple of tweeks to get it set up correct. I run a 4 tone combined, open screen, manual sensitivity at about 25-26, deep on, fast off, ferrous coin, seawater enabled, pin point lock enabled, target trace on and pin point also. Tones are normal.

If I were you I would turn her on, noise cancel above the ground then find a nice quiet spot with no targets (audible threshold level) and put the coil on the ground and noise cancel again, Then with a known target at a known depth (3 to 4 inches), do several sweeps fast and slow! If you are not getting a target icon display or any smear at all on the screen, then your machine might need some looking at by an expert. Your dealer, if local, might be able to help.
 
TrpnBils said:
The picture below illustrates where I'm at with target trace. I know it's a powerful tool, but i can't seem to prove that to myself. When I get something that looks like the screenshots on that Minelab article that was linked a few replies back, it almost always ends up just being garbage (mixed with other garbage). There's something I'm missing, and I know that...especially at depth (even in a test garden where I know there is something) a lot of times I can't even get a mark on my screen even though it gives me audio. Thoughts?


Target trace is tied to the audio when the display paints a picture but it is a separate circuit from audio to prove it's separate reject your whole screen target trace still works . But when ran with audio the #s and trace work the same as in one .

Target trace and audio are both affected by sensitivity the higher the sensitivity the better the trace will be displayed the less sensitivity the weaker the trace in my soil running at 23 for sense just gives me a trace at 7 I/2 inches maxed at 30 for sensitivity I can get 9 inches if you want more depth on target trace you have to look at the screen carefully the area that is a light shade compared to the rest of the screen is where your trace is happening it's very light blue gray in this area a good trace will be red .

So if your in your coin garden running sense at 23 you will not paint a trace on your screen on a 8 inch coin .You may have a light blue or gray trace in that area if you look close to get a better trace you have to crank the sense up .

(Now sensitivity will control the trace in pinpoint) also but pinpoint remains at max depth regardless of sensitivity #s So if you go to pinpoint sizing with trace you can only build a trace as deep as your sense is set at . When in pinpoint sizing you can run your sensitivity much higher than disc mode which is a motion mode and pinpoint sizing is not a motion mode there by making it less prone to falsing and other noises . Pinpoint sizing is not a pure all metal mode it still using a form of disc ground minerals and such but in reality it's quite close .

I like to engage pinpoint sizing off the ground if you engage it over the target it tunes to that ground and if you engage it on the ground by the target it will tune to that ground where I'm at I would be tuning it to another nail or something .Remember as you wiggle over the target if you push the pinpoint button again it well detune the coil making it harder to see the trace but if you know what the trace is you can detune it farther and farther to get the exact spot where the good audio is coming from .

When in pinpoint sizing you still have to move the coil to get trace to be displayed the smaller the wiggle the more accurate the id . Sizing also lets you know the shape of the target size and length of target which will let you decide if you want to proceed to check the target out more.

When doing nail test such as _0_ line means nail 0 means coin if done on top of ground in combine open screen you will get low low low if you bury it say 4inches you will get low high low so bury the nails and coins when testing I have a vid showing these but it is only out of dirt in dirt different story can't edit it but be aware of this.

Now my first screen is open except that the 31 to 35 line is disc out second screen open when I check targets I go back to first screen iron is always present in the lower right corner in my soil but with that disc out portion 31 to35 I get some more imfo if I get a rejected diamond it tells me that the iron is a nail or similar size no audio no grunt or high mixed in now bigger iron will be rejected with a diamond to but well high tone and chop very unstable #s and make weird sounds .

Going back to the _0_ if you pass your detector over this with 31 to 35 line disc out you will only hear the high between the nails so that disc will clear a lot of signals that are masked with small iron .On this type of masking and others these are sweep speed sensitive to fast and you will not hear it these high tones you hear between the nails will be short almost a chop but very noticeable dig me signal . I think everybody should do this test to see what swing speed you should deploy .

That depth gauge will give you some more imfo on digging or not if a nail or small piece of iron is with a coin the depth gauge will be more stable say 3 to 4 or 6 to 7 where as a plain nail will read 3 to 6 or 6 to 10 a coin being with the nail or small iron will be much more stable say 3 to 5 or 6 to 8 not quite perfect but gives you a idea that it's not long one way like the nail by itself .

I hope this helps you . sube
 
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