Target ID stability

[toecutta]

Hi All

After playing with my (not so) new (anymore) x-Terra 705 for the last month or so I thought i should go back and re-read the operators manual to see what else my mind was now ready to understand

and came across the "Target ID stability" setting.

from reading the users guide, diggers book and other resources here it appears to "average" the TID of a target to give a more stable visual response... depending on ground conditions this can skew the TID-to-tone relationship that we get used to

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but i am missing something here. If it improves the targeting why is it a option? There MUST be a "con" to the "pro"

I have become tired of reading "Target ID stability

 

[Blank Planet]

its a valid question for sure, have used it from time to time to me if its going to upset the tones i am used too i would rather not use it unless super necessary, high trash or deep coins could be its best use but i am no expert on this but JMHO am sure more experienced users will chime in on this.

blank planet

 

[MEV]

mmmmmmmmm Sorry if this is a dumb question, but i am missing something here. If it improves the targeting why is it a option? There MUST be a "con" to the "pro"...... Good question!!!!!

 

[BarnacleBill]

Under favorable ground conditions with Stability "off" the audio tones and ID display are in synch. If ground conditions get bad enough then there will be fast changing tones and the ID will act like a slot machine after the handle is pulled. Somewhat akin to high EMF for those that don't ever play in hot ground. Therefore wouldn't it be nice if you could get a stable ID display even though the audio is changing rapidly. Engaging Stability in a manner of speaking applies different filtering to the audio and display. It is a tool to be used when you need it and one of those settings that you can try if you think you need it. No harm done if it doesn't help, just another thoughtful Terra feature.

BB

 

[toecutta]

Thanks for the feedback Bill

On the beaches where I am in Sydney there is a lot of trash. Crown caps, foil, aluminium can fragments and the worst of all... the security / hermetic seal that they seem to put on everything from fruit juice to ice blocks to single serve wine are mixed in with the good stuff...

i hate them.. they are the only thing i dont like putting in the trash bag... i automatically imagine some bug infested kid licking the top of the lid before flinging it over their shoulder. Gloves would help... but i will leave my obsessive compulsive disorder for a forum on another website

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the above foil tops are frustrating that they can hit a REALLY solid tone anywhere between 12 and 38
sometime they dip when scanned from different directions, sometimes they don't.
running in multi tone helps to identify the tones generated by the edges... but not always
obviously when in doubt... dig... but...

but as you are kind of saying above, its another tool that can be used in the machine, I am just curious if i am using the screwdriver as a screwdriver or as a butter knife

is there a downside to running all the time do you think?
does it just take longer for the TID to settle?

thanks to all that have responded to this point

cheers

toecutta (jason)

 

[Mick in Dubbo]

G'day Jason.
I love the opportunities to hunt down and around Sydney, when I get the chance.(Only once every year or so.) Those juice seals although are quite common on the beaches, I've normally found that they hit lower5 on the TID than that, usually around 4. i can't imagine why they would hit so high on your TID. It's possible that you haven't ground balanced your detector (I just turn the tracking on) or perhaps other mitigating reasons. If you lift your coil up at the end of the swing, it might cause some falsing. Also, especially with the mid frequency coils, if a noise cancel hasn't been done, then your TID can skew all over the place. Not so with the high frequency coils.
I personally use the target stability all the time these days as it's far more reliable than when in normal mode. I don't really trust it without it. Been inaccurate too often. Again, this applies to the medium frequency coils. Something else that makes a great difference to the X-Terra's, is using the all metal mode. You'll be surprised at how many more targets you can hear, when they are closer together.
Have fun with your X-terra, they are quite an enjoyable detector to use and they can surprise you in the audio info that they can give you as you gain experience with them.
Mick Evans.

 

[Joe Z]

To add to Jasons question....... While Target ID Stability is enabled do the audio sounds still remain the same as it would without it turned on..... and just stabilize the TID Numbers?

Joe

 

[Mick in Dubbo]

Yes. That's exactly what happens.
MIck Evans.
P.S. Do you detect on the north or south side?

 

[Joe Z]

Mick..... I am in Arizona (phoenix area) and have very high mineralization here, my ground balance is usually between 7-13 give or take a few either way and the TID's do jump around a lot..... I much improved my success with a HF DD coil
I guess that question was for Jason

 

[Mick in Dubbo]

That's an interesting result Joe. I live on the northern edges of a very large gold bearing band with large scale gold mines only about 45 minutes drive to the south with a rare Earth mine about to open up only about 20kms away. (Which includes gold) Coal mines may open up only 10kms north of town in the near future (I hope they don't though) It's possible that the ground could be part of my issue with the medium frequencies, but in the occasions I've checked it (not often) it seemed to be around 40.
Thanks.
Mick Evans.

 

[Joe Z]

Mick..... I wish i could get a ground balance of 40..... i would have kept using the MF concentric coil ...... I believe the highest i ever got was 18 but just one time in a tot lot i did hit 23 but that was soil brought in from another source ....I've checked checked and re- checked but i continually stay in the teens on ground balancing and that's with my MF concentric or my DD HF concentric coil

 

[toecutta]

Thanks Joe... great question and one I should of also put out there

Thanks Mick.. you've given me a few things to consider... the ground balance may be the key here... i got the gold pack and am changing between the concentric and DD coil and i am getting varying levels of performance from session to session.. soft target response and variable target identification. maybe i am not balancing out often enough to compensate for changing beach conditions?
normally i run in beach mode but not tracking... only because i am still taking forever over targets and i read that with the tracking on it can slowly null out the reading if i keep sweeping the target and i am already on a learning curve with out the target doing a harry Houdini on me as well! back to the users guide and a re-read to confirm my methods i think ;-)

i have family up in gulgong that region is growing pretty fast in places... change brings and and bad things... i didnt get to see mum and sis at Christmas.. i think a trip is soon on the cards!

the exterra is a GREAT machine and has been a HEAP of fun... just have to watch your back a bit here when the sun goes down for the pommie backpackers they get a little annoying... so yup.. on the south side.. in the east... there are a heap of beaches in sydney and a lot are close to where i live (i am kind of limited regarding transport at the moment)

If you are ever down this way maybe we can catch up for a bit of a sweep of a beach and catch a lemon-aide after?

cheers

jason

PS... i hate Calipo ice blocks and lazy litter bugs!!!!!!! ;-)

 

[Mick in Dubbo]

Sounds good.
I actually hunt parks mostly when I get down there. Got out for a few hunts there about 3 weeks ago. (Just came back from New Zealand.)
I made the effort to get over to Bondi about 4AM just after Boxing day a couple of years ago. Hunted for 4 hours for a measly $8. Should have caught public transport and done an evening hunt. Parking is a real killer over there, as you'd know. You'd have some awesome places to hunt in your neck of the woods. I reckon that you'd literally finds thousands every year! I'm a little envious of you. I often head towards Cronulla beaches when I beach hunt. Normally bunk down at Lakemba with the In-Laws when we go down there.
Mick Evans.
For Our US friends. Gulgong is a small town about a 100kms from Dubbo. It's 2 claims to fame are that it's main street used to be mined for gold (a lot's of it!) . It's second claim to fame is that it was called "The town on the ten bill". A lot of it's historic buildings are on our original ten dollar note. It's a very beautiful little town.

 

[Joe Z]

Thanks Mick.. you've given me a few things to consider... the ground balance may be the key here... i got the gold pack and am changing between the concentric and DD coil and i am getting varying levels of performance from session to session.. soft target response and variable target identification. maybe i am not balancing out often enough to compensate for changing beach conditions?
normally i run in beach mode but not tracking... only because i am still taking forever over targets and i read that with the tracking on it can slowly null out the reading if i keep sweeping the target
I also sweep over a target more and what i do is ground balance and then put it in tracking..... when i hit a target i take it out of tracking so it doesn't track out and then when i resume swinging i put it back in tracking mode
cheers

jason

PS... i hate Calipo ice blocks and lazy litter bugs!!!!!!! ;-)

 

[Furious T]

Toecutta,
When I am hunting with "tracking" on, when I hit a target, I turn "tracking" off while I'm pinpointing or IDing. If there are multiple targets in a small area, I'd turn "tracking" off until I'm finished in that small area, then turn it on again as I head into the wild blue yonder. HH