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Target ID for Silver
- Thread starter noesosa
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noesosa said:Does anyone know the target ID for silver coins using makro racer?
Depends on the coin. Seated half dimes ring in at 82, 6"+ deep silver war nickels about 82/83, dimes and larger (in the ground) are higher.
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
It can be in the 80-90
Davethejunky
TROLL #2
Cal_Cobra said:noesosa said:Does anyone know the target ID for silver coins using makro racer?
Depends on the coin. Seated half dimes ring in at 82, 6"+ deep silver war nickels about 82/83, dimes and larger (in the ground) are higher.
I get 56 on war nickel
Davethejunky said:Cal_Cobra said:noesosa said:Does anyone know the target ID for silver coins using makro racer?
Depends on the coin. Seated half dimes ring in at 82, 6"+ deep silver war nickels about 82/83, dimes and larger (in the ground) are higher.
I get 56 on war nickel
That's out of the ground?
I've dug several deeper war nickels and they all came in the low 80's.
togg77 said:you are setting yourself up to Miss a lot of coins. Experiment and learn.
Agreed. Nothing is exact in metal detecting, there's too many ever changing variables in play.
Use the default '10' ID Filter [size=small](Discrimination)[/size] ... the highest Gain w/o instability ... Proper coil for the site ... Listen for any Good or 'Iffy' response ... then
"Beep-[size=Large]DIG![/size]"
-------- and remember to [size=large]Read Below[/size] -------
Target ID, both visual and audio, are simply tools or functions and can not be counted on 100%. Matter of fact, in highly trashy sites, very mineralized conditions, or when a desired target is too deep, damaged, canted at a weird angle, or is made of some odd, mixed metal alloy, either or both Target ID and/or Tone ID can be very skewed from a 'perfect' test sample anticipated read-out.
TID is fun to use, and in some applications where targets are relatively shallow and not closely positioned to any masking object it can be reasonably accurate. Perhaps in the 75% or better category. But when the angle, depth, association with other targets or goofy ground steps into the mix ... TID might be close to correct maybe 5% to 30% of the time.
Monte
TID is fun to use, and in some applications where targets are relatively shallow and not closely positioned to any masking object it can be reasonably accurate. Perhaps in the 75% or better category. But when the angle, depth, association with other targets or goofy ground steps into the mix ... TID might be close to correct maybe 5% to 30% of the time.
Monte
Davethejunky
TROLL #2
Cal_Cobra said:Davethejunky said:Cal_Cobra said:noesosa said:Does anyone know the target ID for silver coins using makro racer?
Depends on the coin. Seated half dimes ring in at 82, 6"+ deep silver war nickels about 82/83, dimes and larger (in the ground) are higher.
I get 56 on war nickel
That's out of the ground?
I've dug several deeper war nickels and they all came in the low 80's.
I dug 4 war nickels Saturday and they were all 56. Then I dug 2 in one hole that read 84 but there were 2 wheat penny's in the hole too.
Phillip_in_NM
Member
Davethejunky said:Cal_Cobra said:Davethejunky said:Cal_Cobra said:noesosa said:Does anyone know the target ID for silver coins using makro racer?
Depends on the coin. Seated half dimes ring in at 82, 6"+ deep silver war nickels about 82/83, dimes and larger (in the ground) are higher.
I get 56 on war nickel
That's out of the ground?
I've dug several deeper war nickels and they all came in the low 80's.
I dug 4 war nickels Saturday and they were all 56. Then I dug 2 in one hole that read 84 but there were 2 wheat penny's in the hole too.
Where are you guys finding all these war nickels??? I've found maybe a dozen in 15 years and you're getting 4 a day??? Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
Davethejunky
TROLL #2
Phillip_in_NM said:Davethejunky said:Cal_Cobra said:Davethejunky said:Cal_Cobra said:noesosa said:Does anyone know the target ID for silver coins using makro racer?
Depends on the coin. Seated half dimes ring in at 82, 6"+ deep silver war nickels about 82/83, dimes and larger (in the ground) are higher.
I get 56 on war nickel
That's out of the ground?
I've dug several deeper war nickels and they all came in the low 80's.
We run into them regularly here in Minnesota. Not every time out but enough.
I dug 4 war nickels Saturday and they were all 56. Then I dug 2 in one hole that read 84 but there were 2 wheat penny's in the hole too.
Where are you guys finding all these war nickels??? I've found maybe a dozen in 15 years and you're getting 4 a day??? Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
Cal_Cobra is spot on with his report of off-reading "war" nickels, but it's not limited to them and their partial silver content.
ALL coins, traded tokens, jewelry items, and virtually any metal target can produce an unanticipated visual Target ID or VDI number for several different reasons.
The detector settings.
The type of detector and how it responds to targets and processes the signals.
The search coil used.
The sweep speed used.
The ground mineral conditions, to include very dry ground to very wet/saturated ground.
The Target's metal alloy make-up.
The target's size and shape.
The target depth in the ground.
That targets position or orientation to the EMF.
The presence of any nearby masking target, on the same plane, shallower or deeper.
About a year a half ago I was with OregonGregg at a grassy city park in Pendleton, Oregon helping him learn a White's XLT w/8" Concentric coil. I had pointed out a spot in the park on a prior visit that might be good as it is where they had taken out an old brick restroom years ago and you could see the slight depression and color change of the seeded lawn. I had loaded my custom programs, then took a seat in the shade because my back was hurting and the 104° temp was wearing on me. besides, that let us communicate as I watched him work the XLT.
He got a nice sounding audio hit that suggested a ±8" depth and the VDI read-out was in the ±80 range. From about 7½" to 8" he recovered his first ever 'silver' war-era nickel. It was also a 'first' at learning how TID can sometimes NOT produce the intended response we think we ought to get. In the next few minutes, and all within maybe 15' to 30' of the first nickel, he recovered two more US 5¢ coins, and like the first one, both were in the 7½-8½" depth range [size=small](measured during recovery)[/size] and both also produced a VDI that fluctuated in the 78 to 82 VDI numeric range. One was a 1943 'silver' war-era nickel, the same date as the first, but the other was an earlier 1940 date.
I have hunted many, many sites in my fifty-one years of detecting, using a wide-range of makes and models and search coils sizes and types, and I NEVER anticipate any detector with visual Target ID to be 100% accurate. Time afield has taught me that visual TID info can be close to very accurate on shallower target that are well spaced from any masking source and are laying flat-to-the-coil in the surface to maybe 3" range.
Other than those conditions, if they are deeper, at odd angles, masked or partially masked, or I'm just having a bad day perhaps, TID accuracy can vary from maybe 10% to 75% accurate. Those who rely on TID 100% to make a dig/no-dig decision are not going to recover 100% of the available good targets at a site.
I really enjoy the performance the Racer provides, especially the audio response and quick recovery in dense iron trash, but I don't concern myself about trying to find spot-on specific answers to how a target reads. That's only for hunting in very ideal environments for shallow, flat-laying coins that are well spaced and there is virtually no trash or offending metal structures. Those are definitely not the types of sites I hunt, and where I hunt, the Racer's performance is the best I have experienced of any TID based detector in ugly iron trash contamination.
Monte
ALL coins, traded tokens, jewelry items, and virtually any metal target can produce an unanticipated visual Target ID or VDI number for several different reasons.
The detector settings.
The type of detector and how it responds to targets and processes the signals.
The search coil used.
The sweep speed used.
The ground mineral conditions, to include very dry ground to very wet/saturated ground.
The Target's metal alloy make-up.
The target's size and shape.
The target depth in the ground.
That targets position or orientation to the EMF.
The presence of any nearby masking target, on the same plane, shallower or deeper.
About a year a half ago I was with OregonGregg at a grassy city park in Pendleton, Oregon helping him learn a White's XLT w/8" Concentric coil. I had pointed out a spot in the park on a prior visit that might be good as it is where they had taken out an old brick restroom years ago and you could see the slight depression and color change of the seeded lawn. I had loaded my custom programs, then took a seat in the shade because my back was hurting and the 104° temp was wearing on me. besides, that let us communicate as I watched him work the XLT.
He got a nice sounding audio hit that suggested a ±8" depth and the VDI read-out was in the ±80 range. From about 7½" to 8" he recovered his first ever 'silver' war-era nickel. It was also a 'first' at learning how TID can sometimes NOT produce the intended response we think we ought to get. In the next few minutes, and all within maybe 15' to 30' of the first nickel, he recovered two more US 5¢ coins, and like the first one, both were in the 7½-8½" depth range [size=small](measured during recovery)[/size] and both also produced a VDI that fluctuated in the 78 to 82 VDI numeric range. One was a 1943 'silver' war-era nickel, the same date as the first, but the other was an earlier 1940 date.
I have hunted many, many sites in my fifty-one years of detecting, using a wide-range of makes and models and search coils sizes and types, and I NEVER anticipate any detector with visual Target ID to be 100% accurate. Time afield has taught me that visual TID info can be close to very accurate on shallower target that are well spaced from any masking source and are laying flat-to-the-coil in the surface to maybe 3" range.
Other than those conditions, if they are deeper, at odd angles, masked or partially masked, or I'm just having a bad day perhaps, TID accuracy can vary from maybe 10% to 75% accurate. Those who rely on TID 100% to make a dig/no-dig decision are not going to recover 100% of the available good targets at a site.
I really enjoy the performance the Racer provides, especially the audio response and quick recovery in dense iron trash, but I don't concern myself about trying to find spot-on specific answers to how a target reads. That's only for hunting in very ideal environments for shallow, flat-laying coins that are well spaced and there is virtually no trash or offending metal structures. Those are definitely not the types of sites I hunt, and where I hunt, the Racer's performance is the best I have experienced of any TID based detector in ugly iron trash contamination.
Monte