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Symphony of BS

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mikeothmer

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I am fairly new to the E Trac and was out to an old fair grounds this last weekend for a short hunt. I got so many sounds coming at me in the factory coins program that I am now looking for some options to quiet down the machine. I can't process that much that fast ! I saw an old coins program in Andy's book and was wondering if something along those lines might be an answer to start hunting there. Just discriminate out most things other than the coins I'm looking for and then rework the site with different setting as I become more able to understand what some of the other sounds are.
 
Are you doing a noise cancel? Remember the etrac like to be swung low and slow. You could also be in an area that has lots of trash.
 
I admit that there is lots of trash in the area but there are some very good coins there to. I have tried the heavy trash program but would still like more relief from unwanted sounds and I'm looking for helpful sugestions. The coin program I refered to blocks out everything but coins. Just wondered if anyone had tried something like this? I plan to open my program up to accept more things as I research it in the furture. This is The Midway on a 150 year old fair grounds. Has anybody used a tight program in tough trash?
 
Sounds like a perfect place for two tone ferrous .

LabradorBob
 
A small coil is almost a must in that much trash. I would suggest learning your E-Trac in cleaner ground.
 
If so you can get less feedback/noise with 2 or 4 tones untill you get used to the E-Trac "music" and then all the tones are what makes the E-Trac great "info wise"
 
Do you think everything there is super deep? If not try lowering your sensitivity a bit, try auto +3 to start and if still too much chatter back down a bit. The smaller coil would help too, noise cancel is always a must before starting to hunt and also occasionally during a hunt. A more restrictive discrimination will cut down on the signals but you take the chance of missing a keeper. Going slow is a good idea in such conditions as well. And as Larry suggested start out in a cleaner area until you get used to the tones. Persistence and Patience!
 
Thanks for all the feedback ! I am doing a noise cancel to start and I did lower my sens. some . It just seems to me that there are a lot of signals that I would never dig and I thought if I could have less Signals to work with and basicly only the signals that are important to me it might be a lot less frustrating. This place isn't going anywhere but it does get hunted some. Given the size of it (30 acres ) I think I could hunt there for a long time. I have other places to hunt and I do go to them but I want to figure out a way to make this work. Even if I run a "tight program " I can always open it back up and re hunt it . There is just a lot of metal trash on this site and I would like some ideas on 'Cherry Picking" some of The good item out first. I had just saw that program in Andy's book and wondered if anyone has given it a good workout (Old Coins Program) ?
 
Yes it woud be nice to have a pattern that only sounded off on "keeper" signals but that is not really possible. The signals you recieve are an amalgamation of the desired target, ground "noise" and trash with or near the target. In perfectly clean ground a dime will read 12-45 now that does not mean that it is neccasarily silver just that it has a very good chance to be a dime. Now depending on ground conditions, moisture, depth etc it just might be a copper memorial. That is where sound comes into play, tone will tell you as much as the numbers. Rusted iron can give you a false reading and a sound that is very similar to a good high conductive target. Using your Quick Mask helps in determining to dig or not to dig. Here is an excellent video on iron falsing.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rNIz2HJui4[/video]
 
RiverJohn said:
WOW!! Great video Bell Two.
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I want everyone to know it was not a video I did but one a good friend did, I wish I could take credit for it but I'm not that good :)
 
To the video reference on tone......Maybe it would be called a "dual tone" as opposed to a single tone? Maybe thats pretty close

Nice video!
 
JamesBondaka said:
To the video reference on tone......Maybe it would be called a "dual tone" as opposed to a single tone? Maybe thats pretty close

Nice video!
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That dual tone is called by Randy (Digger) harmonics, here is a link to Minelab site that is demonstrating sound on the X-Terra but it is the same concept on the E-Trac

http://www.minelab.com/usa/treasure-talk/hunting-by-ear-audio-tones-on-the-x-terra
 
Using the coin patterns, creates a lot of nulling. You are likely to miss something.

I would try a sniper coil and TTF.

I mix it up and hit a good area with a pattern just masking iron, and sometimes try a coin pattern.
I do conductive coins and try to listen to the tones, and also switch to TTF. You may find something one way but not another.

You need to circle around and swing from different angles. You need to make sure you cover every inch multiple times, and angles. You would be surprised what can be missed by most peoples patterns.

Also some areas are badly mineralized, so mentioning the area of the country, like Central Alabama, is helpful.
 
Try to think of it as if you were going to build a metal detector.
Instead of a detector that just beeps over every target what if:

What if you could get the detector to give a tone for different metals,then, according to the properties of the metal
of a conductive rating and a ferrous rating give them a numbers scale.
so that when you go over a target you will get an audio response and a ferrous conductive rating.
such would be a perfect world,but, you have to understand that targets can overlap if very close and give a
reading that is mixed between targets.
You have to learn what these mixed signals are telling you.

Thus,this is why the minelab's are finding coins other metal detectors have missed for years and years.

LabradorBob
 
I'm sure not everyone will agree with this method but I have the same situation at our local fairgrounds that has been in use for over a hundred years now. There is just layers and layers of trash everywhere.

I own a Sun Ray 5.5" coil for my E-Trac. I use conductive multitone settings. I have a pattern set up using my Quick Mask screen. I totally blank out the screen and using my except function on my discrimination setting I set it to except only coins, Pennies, dimes, nickles, quarters, and halves. I know you are going to say it will blank out everything in those conditions, but you will be surprised how well it will work through that trash and find coins. I don't find many silver coins but occasionally one will be found. I have been surprised how many coins I find that are as much as 5-6 inch's deep. I am looking for coins lost that year during the fair, but quite often find coins that have been buried for several years. You have to work slow but it will surprise you how well it will weed out those coins. Rick IL
 
Thanks Rick, The Midway on the fair Grounds is a very different "Animal" and I probably shouldn't have tried it so early in my use of a new Etrac but the thought of all those lost coins were quite a temptation to me! I haven't been back but plan to return in the Fall. There is an overwhelming amount of trash signals in the area I want to hunt and with the pull tabs 2 tone ferrous is out! I was just thinking if I could take the larger share of the coins out then I could always work it harder to get more with other techniques.
 
Try a different part of the park and see if it quiets down. A smaller coil would offer some relief and really is a better choice in that situation. If the signals are iron then running Two Tone Ferrous would solve that problem. Those high trash areas are skipped by many detectorist because of all the noise and they hold silver coins. I wouldn't want deal with it all the time either but it can be profitable.
 
How deep is most of the trash? Did I see you say that this area is not used anymore? I have an area that is littered with surface to 1 inch deep pull tabs and rusted beer caps. I took a garden rake to the area and raked most of the trash into a large pile, and picked it up with a large metal shop dust pan and put it all in a trash can. Then I proceeded to hunt very slowly, sure I still got some older deeper tabs and caps, but my coins and jewelry added up nicely. I got numerous silvers and two gold rings. Just my honest opinion........NGE
 
try it with just 4 tones and only concentrate on the two higher tones
 
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