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Swinging the coil

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Or a more accurate subject line should be sweeping the coil. As said in my previous post I would make another to try and explain the way to get the best audio results from the explorer. I have been getting quite a few emails and replys or reading from people saying they cant get the steady tones they hear on my explorer sounds page. first of all let me say I mainly use normal audio with fast recovery, so I really cant say that any of the other audio options will get the same results. The absolute most important factor in getting a solid steady tone is the amount of left and right motion over the target, it should be as little as possible. the Explorer is very sensitive at the coil edges as most of you know and getting the target wiythin a few inches of the outside will cause warbling or unsteady readings. Another very important thing is keeping the coil as flat and close to the ground at all times as possible through out the entire motion of your swing, this is why I prefer to call it sweeping
During the sweep of the ground you hear a response, whether warbly a good tone or blip. stop and get the coil right over the area you heard it slowly narrowing down the amount of side to side motion. till you are just hovering the coil directly over the spot to get best response. all it requires is a small amount of motion to see the target. no more than a half inch of movement to each side of the target. As you narrow it down speed up the wiggle and you will get the best response(especially true for deep targets) then slowly work your way around the target without ever stopping the wiggle, kind of pivot your turn as if the target was an anchor to your coil, if the reading remains the same tone and if you can get a response in more than 2 directions with the same tone and steadiness its usually a good one. there are exceptions depending on how close junk targets may be, but usually from at least two of the angles you will get a good tone. Try practicing at home in the yard with a few targets, dime, nickel, round tab, shotgun shell etc by placing the targets on the ground a foot or so apart and wiglling the coil quickly over the target at the same time keeping the coil parallel to the ground and a few inches off the target at all times, any lifting of the coil may cause an off tone.. you will see that the good targets respond almost the same steady tone from all directions in the circle ,while the junk will almost always change tone completely from another direction, if you do it with the circling of the target you hear it immediately. It is almost always true for odd shaped junk targets like round tabs and shotgun shells on their side. if the junk is fairly symetrical it may not happen as often(like a shotgun shell with bottom side perfectly upright), but luckily most junk is not perfectly round or square. At the same time a non symetrical target of good metal is usually a pretty constant tone, it may seem to get louder or seem bigger in one direction but generally the tone frequency remains the same.. there are always exceptions but for the most part I find this to be true. I have a hard time trying to put to words what I describe as the wiggling of the coil over the target, but if you picture yourself erasing a three leter word off a piece of paper quickly, the moyion of the wrist while moving the head of that eraser on the paper would be similar to the motion of the wrist moving the coil over the target. Lots of times when you get falsing while sweeping, using this motion will tell you right away there is something good or not good there and you can continue on your way. many times a deep target will get that same sound and then volume and signal will get better over that target during the circling of the target. Everything comes with time and training your ear to those good tones takes more than my attempt at an explaination on a post here, but it will come to you. The more you hunt the faster it all sinks in so the real secret is getting out there and using it <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)"> Slow during the search sweep, quicker small sweeping over the target, and keep moving around the target without stopping that motion. After you get this down you can almost call a target from the initial hit, and one other thing to remember is that on surface targets less than 3 inches you may need to lift the coil off the target to get the good response without warbling tones.
 
I dunno, Jim. With my Explorer I find many things opposite of what you're saying. In norm audio and fast recovery It sounds the best when I sweep the coil quickly (but evenly of course). I've just been bench testing again and confirmed this. Not only that, it picks up the target a couple of inches further away from the coil when moved rather quickly, but when I slow down it's not even picking it up. The wiggle thing that I keep hearing about from you and others, makes mine either not pick up at all, or sound very warbly. When I swing it at least 8 inches and rather fast and evenly it responds well. What you're describing works for my machine only when it's in pinpoint mode. I'm still wondering if some of these units just aren't calibrated up to snuff from the factory or what.
 
I think I said the faster sweep will bring up the audio on the deeper ones, but anyway Im not sure why yours is warbling, when you say bench testing you doing it inside in the air or on the ground outside?
 
I have a question for you or anyone else that might know the answer. Will a HAM radio within 60 to 80 yards away cause our machine to act up? I hunted a park where I have hunted a few times with no problems but today after 30 mins or so mine started 'shorting out" is the best way to describe it. Just like a radio would act with a loose wire. I haven't had a chance to check it at different location to see if it does have a "short". If someone could reply with this knowledge tonight, I would sleep a lot better. If you guys knew all the crap I went through when buying my "new" explorer, you would understand my skepticism when something happens out of the ordinary.....Thanks...D.
 
If you mean your Explorer is turning off and on as if you had a loose power wire on a radio then hopfully it was only your battery not snapped in fully, In that case it was only temporary. Otherwise it sounds not so good, like a loose internal wire, cracked circute board trace, or bad component.
If you mean it was just a crackling or popping in your headphones and you detector wasn't actually shutting down, then it sounds like a loose phone jack or if you are using the Explorer headphones, a bad volume control.
Don't want to worry you and these are only possibilities. Can you be more discriptive? or narrow it down some? Maybe we could better diagnose it.
 
Hmm Like Mitch I am not sure what your saying your problem is, RF can cause the machines to do some weird stuff, but if its acting like its shorting out then it probably isnt interference, as that is usully just like falsing on its own stuttering or pulsing noises
 
It sounds like it actually shuts down off and on. I had dealings with a advertiser on this forum. I don't know how much pull they have over what gets posted here but it seems like this might be the straw that finishs breaking MY back. Check out my post on another forum. Didn't write down the whole story (over there) because my isp is not staying connected right tonight. Thanks you guys. I'll check this thing out tomorrow and let you know what happens....D.
 
I was once hunting C.W relics on a high ridge with a Fisher Detector and my detector started emitting a series of high stacatto beeps and would then act normally, then after a while, it would blare out the loud "static" again. I sent the detector back and got another, and it did the same thing, but only in that one location. I later found that on that same ridge, there was some sort of repeater which was used by some official entity, I don't know which one, but either by law enforcement, ham radio or military. I never encountered this problem in any other location.
I'm new to the explorer myself, but if it happens again, try "Noise Cancel"; maybe the problem is with just that one frequency being similar to the one transmitted by the repeater, or tower, or whatever.
Also, if it sounded like Morse Code, maybe you have a ham radio tower or repeater which is transmitting Morse on the same freq. as your detector. That's what my problem sounded like.
 
Different sweep speeds produce different results in same ground.Thats a fact with the Explorer. Perhaps different frequencies become more predominant as the sweep speed changes. Slow isnt always the best, despite the posts. The Explorer is very different than the Sovereign and the old saws that went with the Sovereign no longer apply.
It might be helpful if an optional sweep speed control were added for the blander types of soil, like you have there in the east.
A hybrid coil that is more focused? Perhaps.
 
Actually I've tried both. I have heard from others complaining of the warbling so it leads me to believe what I said about different possible calibrations from the factory. I'm getting used to the sounds anyway...it's still a great machine. Thanks -Dave
 
I have found the Recovery speed control to work incredibly well, if I'm going to be sweeping fast I definitely switch it into fast. I agree that Slow isn't always best, different sweep speeds produce different types of results as does changing the Recover setting. The problem in deciding what sweep speed to use and for that matter what equipment to use is that in this hobby there are tradeoffs with ever choice you make, thats assuming the hunter already knows some good techniques.
I would just say that when in Deep Recovery mode it is implied that you will tend to sweep slower, and also as the trash level becomes higher your sweep speed will become slower. If you see me hunting you will see me hunt at many different speeds especially at larger more complex sites.
BTW, the Sovereign may have been a deeper seeker at slower speeds but a good point to be made is that at some sites you would recover more goodies if you sweep fast and cover more ground. All hunters should have some kind of plan/strategy when hunting.
Anyway, just thinkin out loud : )
GL/HH
 
Well, I guess as long as someones paying the bills then no derogatory statements can be made about them on there sponsored forums and thats true with all the forums believe me, I for one like to see the truth posted no matter what, but then that could cause unsubstantiated attacks as well...yours is the first time I think I ever saw anything bad about them, and personally have never dealt with them so cant say, anyway email me with the details of what happened.. I for one am interested... there are plenty of good dealers out there, if you have trouble with some use another.....
 
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