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Sweep speeds?

Mick in Dubbo

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I've been reading a number of posts about some who have been swinging their X-Terra's quite fast(Digger, Barnacle Bill and Bob Valdez) and was wondering how fast you are swinging? Do you find at these swing speeds that you are losing any width on your coils or targets? Looking forward to any of your comments.
Thanks.
Mick Evans.
 
Hey Mick,
I don't know about the other guys but swing speed makes a difference on my 50. Just take a coin and sweep it real slow under your coil and see how far away from the coil you can go, now increase your swing speed and see what a difference depthwise it makes. I don't swing mine real fast, just a moderate swing. Hope this helps. John
 
"I've been reading a number of posts about some who have been swinging their X-Terra's quite fast(Digger, Barnacle Bill and Bob Valdez) and was wondering how fast you are swinging?"... With ANY make & model the sweep speed used will be somewhat dependant upon the ground mineralization and the amount of discrimination used.

Naturally, other factors will have to be considered, such as whether the particular model is designed as a faster-sweep (4-filter type for example), an ultra-slow motion ( such as the Minelab Explorer), or what would generally be grouped into the slow-motion (two-filter, generally speaking) type detector.

The X-Terra series do not require an ultra-slow sweep, and they don't do real well with a 'too-fast' sweep speed, either, but ... just what is the definition of too fast and slow?

The operator's manual suggests the X-Terra be swept from side-to-side at a rate of about 3-seconds for each direction of sweep. My personal search technique covers only about 4' in a fairly straight line going left-to-right, and I try to cover that distance in about 2-seconds, and maybe 3-seconds if it is brushy or very trashy. If I made a longer side-to-side sweep I would definitely shoot for the 3-second time.

I'll also point out that this is when I am searching in either All Metal (aka a '0' rejection motion discriminate mode) or a Pattern motion discriminate mode. I usually am in Pattern 1 and I only reject -8, -6 and -4 on my X-Terra 70 at most sites.

Now, to give you two examples of what I mean about the mineralization level and the discriminate level having some of the most effect on sweep speed performance. First, mineralization.

If I am hunting in a woodchip playground I can get away with a much faster sweep speed because, as a rule, if the woodchips are deep then there is very little, if any, bad ground signal for the detector to have to filter out. But if I move in to a more moderately mineralized are I will have to sweep a little slower, and if I have to deal with more intense mineralization, such as here in NW Oregon where I live, I need to be very careful so as not to sweep too fast. A 'too-fast' sweep will feed too much ground signal in and the circuitry will not be able to process the ground signal and pass along a target signal. You could say there is so much ground signal is 'swamps' the target signal.

Second, we have to consider the amount of trash target rejection we're using. If I hunt with my X-T 70 and reject everything from -8 o[ to 16, I might not lose too much depth on a US 10
 
The word "fast" will mean different things to different people. I can sweep my X-Terra fast, compared to how I am able to sweep an Exp, Sov, Quattro, MXT, DFX, IDX, QXT, C$, CZ-5, ID, Tejon, V, C, etc. I can sweep my X-Terra faster than any detector I have, except my Advantage and my XLPro.

When hunting in an open area with the X-Terra, it takes me 2 seconds to make one complete swath. Either left to right or right to left, about four feet wide. I sweep with an arc shaped swath, so the coil probably travels farther than the four feet width of my path. But, you do have to be careful that you don't sweep too fast or you will miss targets. To determine this speed, "X" over a buried coin from various directions. Back and forth....back and forth..... Keep increasing the speed, listening for target response intensity, until you completely lose the audio target response. Doing this may be the best way to find out what speed is just right for your part of the world. HH Randy
 
Gosh its tough to do with a resident GURU and want to say excellent post.
Heres what you do lay a coin on the ground and practice swings with your regular settings and you will find out what gives you the best depth in a ball park fashion and of course raise coil to simulate depth.
I personally feel counting seconds and the like only tends to confuse as we all swing different due to our physical makeup and personal abilities.
Indeed when compared to previous Minelabs we are now into a moderate swing rather than a slow swing and perhaps will take a while to get into the swing of things( no pun intended).
Again nice post Monte and keep them coming...
 
Thanks to all for responding and the tip on testing your targets. Thanks Bill for clarifying your sweep speed. Man! That's some arsenal of detectors you've got there. Makes it very good to draw a broader range of experiences from.
Monte. That was a great post. I got a lot out of that. Starting to understand why a lot of experienced operators operate in all metal mode now. The info on the filtering systems and mineralisation of the ground is also quite useful.
As far as my comments about losing width on the coil at faster sweep speeds go, I was manly only referring to the coil's ability to deal with targets that are farther away from the centre of the coil when you increase your sweep speed i.e.those farther targets would produce a weaker signal and as such are at a higher risk of not being picked up. You answered this question in your explanation above.
I'm quite sure that not only I got a lot out of this post, but so did a lot of other visitors to the forum.It's posts like this that make this such a great forum to come onto.
Best wishes,
Mick Evans.
 
and for myself, only ! I like to sweep fast.

If a sweep is ONE Left to Right or ONE Right to Left, I would say I do at least a sweep in a second, maybe "one and a half sweeps" in a second.

Don't really know, never measured it (how could I, snif, I am always alone on the beach, don't even have a watch (still have to find one)). But I am sure I work "fast". That's just my nature !

BOB VALDEZ, Belgium
 
So, I sweep fast. But :

1. I always work in ALL METAL
2. never use ANY discrimination, I just don't trust the machine anymore,then + I HATE the sounds it makes
3. I am always on the beach
4. I am always on the DRY PART of the beach

BOB VALDEZ, Belgium
 
Thanks for the input Bob.Monte's quite a mine of information.We're lucky to have him on board.Sorry if I'm giving you a bit of a swelled head Monte.
HH
Mick Evans.
 
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